[REL] Realistic Sinking Physics - Page 9

07-10-07, 09:55 AM

He be good he be.

WilhelmTell · 07-10-07, 02:46 PM

Outstanding !

I must say it's hard to decide which mod to use: Yours or the DieSlowly Stage 16 !
They are both great but you can't have both of them.
Take's a while to find out which suits better ....

Regards,
Tell

Horst Mikaelis · 07-11-07, 06:21 PM

I sank my first ship after installing your mod and it went down slowly, but in a reasonable amount of time after several hits. My second target, a large, split composite which took one hit under the keel and other amidships, refused to sink. Within five minutes the entire stern was awash. I surfaced (it's December 1941 and the ship had no gun), killed the engine, and hit time compression. Two-and-a-half days passed and the ship was still afloat, with half its deck awash.

And that was the point that Japanese aircraft appeared and drove me down.

Horst

kv29 · 07-11-07, 06:33 PM

now we know what hit points do!

WernerSobe · 07-11-07, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horst Mikaelis

I sank my first ship after installing your mod and it went down slowly, but in a reasonable amount of time after several hits. My second target, a large, split composite which took one hit under the keel and other amidships, refused to sink. Within five minutes the entire stern was awash. I surfaced (it's December 1941 and the ship had no gun), killed the engine, and hit time compression. Two-and-a-half days passed and the ship was still afloat, with half its deck awash.

And that was the point that Japanese aircraft appeared and drove me down.

Horst

what did you expect? Sinking a large ship with only two torpedoes both hiting its center compartments? Always keep in mind that hitting compartments that are already damaged will maybe speed up the flooding but not add more water in general. So basicly you must hit it on different spots to flood more different compartments. Evaluate which compartments are damaged and estimate their size. Most ships have large compartments under first and last mast (cargo rooms). While the keel, engine room and the fuel bunker are pretty small. When you are unlucky and they dont explode or break the ship they will take less water then cargo compartments.

So basicly if you are not sure how the ship is designed, dont save torpedoes. Give it enough. Take 3 or even better 4 torpedoes for a large ship and MAKE SURE they hit different spots. Set up different torpedoe spread angles.

Dont stay for two days waiting for a ship to sink. If it doesnt sink in one or two hours chances are bad that it will sink at all. You must add more damage to finish it off. Go for compartments that are keeping it afloat. In your case it was the stern. There is a large cargo compartment that was propably dry and saved it from sinking. You could also add 5-10 shells below the waterline with the deckgun on that undamaged compartment that should have done it...

Horst Mikaelis · 07-11-07, 08:10 PM

I only stuck around as an experiment to see what would happen. And I understand what you're saying. I guess my question is: was the water covering the stern deck a "real" indication of what was happening to the ship, or was it just a graphics-thing? Could a ship with half its deck underwater continue to float for two days?

Thanks.

Horst

WernerSobe · 07-11-07, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horst Mikaelis

I only stuck around as an experiment to see what would happen. And I understand what you're saying. I guess my question is: was the water covering the stern deck a "real" indication of what was happening to the ship, or was it just a graphics-thing? Could a ship with half its deck underwater continue to float for two days?

Thanks.

Horst

thats what the mod is about. You can sense the state of the ship by its general condition. Remeber there is no more hitpoint damage. When the ship is half under water it will propably sink but must not, if it doesnt it surely doesnt need much. There is just a little missing from making her sink.

And yes ships can keep going when being half in water. Even ships that have a bad list to one side and are basicly lying on it can in some cases stay afloat.

A sure indicater that a ship has taken enough is when its being abondened by the crew. They know the best when there is no hope. But if theyre still aboard then they is a chance to save the ship and they will fight agains flooding. Its up to you to decide then...

I recomend you to run the test mission that comes with that mod. There you can try differend kind of ships and get an idea about their sinking behavier and indicators.

Horst Mikaelis · 07-12-07, 08:05 AM

Will do.

Thanks.

Horst

supposedtobeworking · 07-12-07, 09:53 PM

1.3 compatible...any word?

WernerSobe · 07-13-07, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by supposedtobeworking

1.3 compatible...any word?

yes. see the first page its in huge red letters "for patch 1.3"

CaptainCox · 07-13-07, 12:23 AM

Thanks for the update! Grabbing it as we speak.

Bando · 07-13-07, 05:37 AM

Thanks WernerSobe

tater · 07-13-07, 12:03 PM

In the work on sinking did you learn a lot about what makes the ships break? I ask because a quick check on the taihosan maru might show a way to work around the CTD. Perhaps we can make the forward split simply impossible to break, then see if it CTDs, even with ammo there.

tater

WernerSobe · 07-13-07, 12:32 PM

CTD? i didnt know there was one

tater · 07-13-07, 12:37 PM

There is a CTD with the small composite merchant---in the stock game, but it also happens with your mod (I tested). It's a flaw in the model or dmage model i think.

Put AMMO as cargo on a small merchant, and it will CTD when it vblows up if it tries to break forward of the superstructure.

So if we could make it NEVER break there, it might prevent the CTD.

07-11-07, 06:21 PM	#123
Horst Mikaelis Seaman Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 41 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Had problem I sank my first ship after installing your mod and it went down slowly, but in a reasonable amount of time after several hits. My second target, a large, split composite which took one hit under the keel and other amidships, refused to sink. Within five minutes the entire stern was awash. I surfaced (it's December 1941 and the ship had no gun), killed the engine, and hit time compression. Two-and-a-half days passed and the ship was still afloat, with half its deck awash. And that was the point that Japanese aircraft appeared and drove me down. Horst

07-11-07, 08:10 PM	#126
Horst Mikaelis Seaman Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 41 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Damage I only stuck around as an experiment to see what would happen. And I understand what you're saying. I guess my question is: was the water covering the stern deck a "real" indication of what was happening to the ship, or was it just a graphics-thing? Could a ship with half its deck underwater continue to float for two days? Thanks. Horst

07-13-07, 12:23 AM	#131
CaptainCox Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: A Swede in Frankfurt am Main Posts: 1,897 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the update! Grabbing it as we speak. __________________ DOWNLOAD MY MODS HERE

07-13-07, 05:37 AM	#132
Bando Commodore Join Date: May 2007 Location: Where you don't see me Posts: 607 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Thanks WernerSobe __________________ Regards, Bando

07-10-07, 09:55 AM	#121
Uber Gruber Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	He be good he be.

07-10-07, 02:46 PM	#122
WilhelmTell Engineer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany, Europe Posts: 205 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Outstanding ! I must say it's hard to decide which mod to use: Yours or the DieSlowly Stage 16 ! They are both great but you can't have both of them. Take's a while to find out which suits better .... Regards, Tell

07-11-07, 06:33 PM	#124
kv29 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buenos Aires Posts: 342 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	now we know what hit points do!

07-12-07, 08:05 AM	#128
Horst Mikaelis Seaman Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 41 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Will do. Thanks. Horst

07-12-07, 09:53 PM	#129
supposedtobeworking XO Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 436 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	1.3 compatible...any word?

07-13-07, 12:03 PM	#133
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	In the work on sinking did you learn a lot about what makes the ships break? I ask because a quick check on the taihosan maru might show a way to work around the CTD. Perhaps we can make the forward split simply impossible to break, then see if it CTDs, even with ammo there. tater

07-13-07, 12:32 PM	#134
WernerSobe Commodore Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 625 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	CTD? i didnt know there was one

07-13-07, 12:37 PM	#135
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	There is a CTD with the small composite merchant---in the stock game, but it also happens with your mod (I tested). It's a flaw in the model or dmage model i think. Put AMMO as cargo on a small merchant, and it will CTD when it vblows up if it tries to break forward of the superstructure. So if we could make it NEVER break there, it might prevent the CTD.