Fresh Install of SH3 is a No Go with 8.1

GT182 · 10-27-15, 07:58 PM

I tried all afternoon to do a fresh install of SH3 on 8.1. It just won't install and work. I followed Blitz's instructions but nada on the install. Is this a problem caused by 8.1?

I made a Games folder in Program Files (x86). Installed SH3 from the DVD. I canceled Game Shadow and did not click Finish for the SH3 installation. Ran the 1.4b US patch and got this error - C:\Games\MissionEngine.dll: unknown version.

Also. When installation was done there was no UBI-Silent-Hunter 3 folder in the Games folder. Just all the data from the DVD installation in the Games folder. I've never seen this happen before with an original 2005 SH3 DVD. Ran as Admin, and compatibility with XP SP 2, and again with Windows 7. Neither worked.

I'd try with Windows 10 but I'm not ready to Upgrade until I do a clone of my HDD for a back up.

Here's the error I got:

GT182 · 10-27-15, 08:03 PM

One other error I got yesterday when I tried to install the 1.4b US patch.

Sailor Steve · 10-27-15, 08:15 PM

How old is your game disc? If it's the original then it still has StarForce, and Windows 8.1 won't even talk to it. I have a newer, SF-free version which came fully updated to 1.4b, and had no problems.

Something else you might try is to create a folder outside of any Program Files. Newer versions of Windows don't like us using the Program Files folders.

HW3 · 10-27-15, 10:49 PM

Gary, do not install it inside of the Program Files (x86) folder. Make a games folder on the main C drive. Windows UAC program has fits if we try using the Programs folders.

THEBERBSTER · 10-28-15, 04:43 AM

Never install any Silent Hunter version in the default program (x86) folder.

Peter

danasan · 10-28-15, 05:55 AM

Gary,

here is a workaround for those who don't want any 3rd party tools or don't want to read the whole day...

First of all, I'd like you to understand that there is NO need to install SH3, once you have it installed on just ONE computer.

That said, I haven't used the original game DVD for years now. I just copied the whole folder of a SH3 vanilla installation on an old computer, zipped it, and burnt it on a DVD. I can always start from that DVD by copying the content to my HDD.

So, if you have access to a computer with an older OS, install SH3 there.

-Verify if the game runs fine. After that:
-Copy the whole SH3 folder to an external HDD \ Stick \ whatever.
-Past the folder to your HDD with WIN 8.1, f.x. to the root of C:\
-You'd better name that folder f.x.: SilentHunter3 without any blanks.
-Find the SH3.exe in that folder there and set admin rights and compatibility to XP or WIN 7.

You should be done now. This method is safe, fast (depending on the medium you have your copy on) and independent.

Edit for clarification: If you zipped the folder, you have to unzip it, of course.

Onkel Neal · 10-28-15, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THEBERBSTER

Never install any Silent Hunter version in the default program (x86) folder.

Peter

Quote:

Originally Posted by HW3

Gary, do not install it inside of the Program Files (x86) folder. Make a games folder on the main C drive. Windows UAC program has fits if we try using the Programs folders.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Something else you might try is to create a folder outside of any Program Files. Newer versions of Windows don't like us using the Program Files folders.

Quote:

Originally Posted by danasan

Gary,
here is a workaround for those who don't want any 3rd party tools or don't want to read the whole day...
First of all, I'd like you to understand that there is NO need to install SH3, once you have it installed on just ONE computer....

Thanks for the respectful and patient replies to Gary's question, you guys are awesome. You are the superstars Subsim is known for.

Gary, don't feel bad, that's a common mistake. I know about it and I sometimes forget. I guess the routine process of installing programs can be exactly that, routine. Except in some odd cases, it has to be done differently, such as in this case. Please let us know if you were successful in getting SH3 installed.

danasan · 10-28-15, 07:29 AM

@ Blitz,

believe me, I'm not misunderstanding anything here.

I am not going to quote Kpt. Lehman here.

GT182 · 10-28-15, 06:19 PM

Ok, so you all know. I did not try to install in the Programs (x86) folder. That was a senior moment in typing. My mind was going in circles when I posted this thread. I apologize. I did make a Games folder on C drive and it was not in any folder... it was on it's own. It is possible I had a corrupt download of the 1.4b patch as my broadband was all screwed up. That's now fixed.

I tend to go with Sailor Steve's response on my 2005 SH3 dvd. I'm off and on my way down cellar to look for the later SH3 dvds I bought that don't have Starforce in them. At least I believe and hope they don't. I'll let you know as soon as I find them

As to all your replies, my thanks. I took no one's reply in a derogatory way. You all have been very helpful and it made me think. Remember now, when SH3 came out I waited until the 1.4b patch came out before I installed it. At one time I could do the install blindfolded. But that was while we all were using XP. It's sad that MS has forgotten about us all and came out with operating systems that are giving most out there headaches trying to play these older games and simulations. I am one of those. Believe me, it's hell forgetting what I thought I knew new so well, and having to put up with the changes these new operating systems have dumped on us all.

And Oliver, your Guide is fine as it is. I understood it. SH3 didn't. LOL

Dan, I wish I had it on another computer I could take it from. That I would do in a heartbeat.

to you all. And my thanks to Oliver and Dave. Besides Neal and SubSim, the two of you and got me re-interested in SH3, along with the new mods that have been made.

Edit:
BTW.. don't say it's solved just yet.

GT182 · 10-28-15, 07:09 PM

No luck on a newer version of SH3 without Starforce. It's buried in a box somewhere or I gave it away to someone that wanted to play SH3.

So, if anyone has a copy without Starforce in it and willing to sell it, I'm very interested it buying it.

Edit:
Found a copy on Amazon but waiting for a reply as to the date it was made, and if Starforce is not included on the dvd.

Admiral Halsey · 10-29-15, 01:44 AM

I must be lucky but i've got almost all my games in the default X86 folder and they not only work just fine but mods work just fine as well. Never had any of the problems people seem to have with it. The only games I don't have there are games like SH3 where one needs multiple folders to work the mega-mods.

blackswan40 · 10-29-15, 02:49 AM

GT182 I have a spare SH3 DISC already patched to 1.4 no star force and once installed you dont need the dvd in your drive
just pm me your home address & ill send you the disc

THE PRIDE RUNS DEEP AT SUBSIM WE LOOK AFTER OUR OWN SALUTE

10-29-15, 04:12 AM

Blackswan & Blitzkrieg, you genius-guys really rule with your help!

I applaud and thank you so much.

GT182 · 10-30-15, 09:50 PM

I'll soon have a SH3 dvd coming from Blackswan40.... as soon as I can get to the bank on Monday. Thanks Andy.

GT182 · 11-02-15, 02:07 PM

Another question. I was looking in my Local Disc (C) and saw that SH5 is installed in a UBI folder. This UBI folder is not in Program Files or Program Files (x86). Would it hurt to install SH3 in the same folder?

Danasan, you got me thinking about putting SH3 on a 32gb thumb drive. Would that work? It sure would make it portable between 2 computers.

10-27-15, 08:15 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	How old is your game disc? If it's the original then it still has StarForce, and Windows 8.1 won't even talk to it. I have a newer, SF-free version which came fully updated to 1.4b, and had no problems. Something else you might try is to create a folder outside of any Program Files. Newer versions of Windows don't like us using the Program Files folders. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-27-15, 10:49 PM	#4
HW3 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gresham Oregon Posts: 6,445 Downloads: 453 Uploads: 0	Gary, do not install it inside of the Program Files (x86) folder. Make a games folder on the main C drive. Windows UAC program has fits if we try using the Programs folders. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink...others require our assistance." Nathan Zelk

10-28-15, 04:43 AM	#5
THEBERBSTER Growing Old Disgracefully Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Dibden Purlieu - Southampton Posts: 9,606 Downloads: 1123 Uploads: 0	Never install any Silent Hunter version in the default program (x86) folder. Peter __________________ LSH3-2015 <> TUTORIALS <> ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW <> ALL IN ONE PLACE SH4 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS SH5 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS Always Here To Help A Fellow 'Subber' \| Need An Answer to A Question Just Send Me A PM

10-28-15, 05:55 AM	#6
danasan Elite Spam Hunter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Flensburg / Germany Posts: 1,141 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Gary, here is a workaround for those who don't want any 3rd party tools or don't want to read the whole day... First of all, I'd like you to understand that there is NO need to install SH3, once you have it installed on just ONE computer. That said, I haven't used the original game DVD for years now. I just copied the whole folder of a SH3 vanilla installation on an old computer, zipped it, and burnt it on a DVD. I can always start from that DVD by copying the content to my HDD. So, if you have access to a computer with an older OS, install SH3 there. -Verify if the game runs fine. After that: -Copy the whole SH3 folder to an external HDD \ Stick \ whatever. -Past the folder to your HDD with WIN 8.1, f.x. to the root of C:\ -You'd better name that folder f.x.: SilentHunter3 without any blanks. -Find the SH3.exe in that folder there and set admin rights and compatibility to XP or WIN 7. You should be done now. This method is safe, fast (depending on the medium you have your copy on) and independent. Edit for clarification: If you zipped the folder, you have to unzip it, of course. __________________ "I invite you to go inside this submergible hole in the water where you can nicely hide from destroyers." Last edited by danasan; 10-28-15 at 06:23 AM.

10-28-15, 07:29 AM	#8
danasan Elite Spam Hunter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Flensburg / Germany Posts: 1,141 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	@ Blitz, believe me, I'm not misunderstanding anything here. I am not going to quote Kpt. Lehman here. __________________ "I invite you to go inside this submergible hole in the water where you can nicely hide from destroyers."

10-28-15, 06:19 PM	#9
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	Ok, so you all know. I did not try to install in the Programs (x86) folder. That was a senior moment in typing. My mind was going in circles when I posted this thread. I apologize. I did make a Games folder on C drive and it was not in any folder... it was on it's own. It is possible I had a corrupt download of the 1.4b patch as my broadband was all screwed up. That's now fixed. I tend to go with Sailor Steve's response on my 2005 SH3 dvd. I'm off and on my way down cellar to look for the later SH3 dvds I bought that don't have Starforce in them. At least I believe and hope they don't. I'll let you know as soon as I find them As to all your replies, my thanks. I took no one's reply in a derogatory way. You all have been very helpful and it made me think. Remember now, when SH3 came out I waited until the 1.4b patch came out before I installed it. At one time I could do the install blindfolded. But that was while we all were using XP. It's sad that MS has forgotten about us all and came out with operating systems that are giving most out there headaches trying to play these older games and simulations. I am one of those. Believe me, it's hell forgetting what I thought I knew new so well, and having to put up with the changes these new operating systems have dumped on us all. And Oliver, your Guide is fine as it is. I understood it. SH3 didn't. LOL Dan, I wish I had it on another computer I could take it from. That I would do in a heartbeat. to you all. And my thanks to Oliver and Dave. Besides Neal and SubSim, the two of you and got me re-interested in SH3, along with the new mods that have been made. Edit: BTW.. don't say it's solved just yet. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it. Last edited by GT182; 10-28-15 at 07:58 PM.

10-28-15, 07:09 PM	#10
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	No luck on a newer version of SH3 without Starforce. It's buried in a box somewhere or I gave it away to someone that wanted to play SH3. So, if anyone has a copy without Starforce in it and willing to sell it, I'm very interested it buying it. Edit: Found a copy on Amazon but waiting for a reply as to the date it was made, and if Starforce is not included on the dvd. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it. Last edited by GT182; 10-28-15 at 07:54 PM.

10-29-15, 01:44 AM	#11
Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 298 Uploads: 0	I must be lucky but i've got almost all my games in the default X86 folder and they not only work just fine but mods work just fine as well. Never had any of the problems people seem to have with it. The only games I don't have there are games like SH3 where one needs multiple folders to work the mega-mods. __________________ "This is not a peace. It is an armistice for twenty years" - Ferdinand Foch on the Treaty of Versailles.(Boy was he ever right.)

10-29-15, 02:49 AM	#12
blackswan40 LSH-2022 Liaison Officer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: IN THE STEEL SHARKS VIRTUAL OCEAN Posts: 2,515 Downloads: 589 Uploads: 30	GT182 I have a spare SH3 DISC already patched to 1.4 no star force and once installed you dont need the dvd in your drive just pm me your home address & ill send you the disc THE PRIDE RUNS DEEP AT SUBSIM WE LOOK AFTER OUR OWN SALUTE __________________ LSH3 DOWNLOAD - LSH3 VIDEOS YOUTUBE - TUTORIALS by THEBERBSTER

10-29-15, 04:12 AM	#13
LIMarc Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Blackswan & Blitzkrieg, you genius-guys really rule with your help! I applaud and thank you so much.

10-30-15, 09:50 PM	#14
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	I'll soon have a SH3 dvd coming from Blackswan40.... as soon as I can get to the bank on Monday. Thanks Andy. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

11-02-15, 02:07 PM	#15
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	Another question. I was looking in my Local Disc (C) and saw that SH5 is installed in a UBI folder. This UBI folder is not in Program Files or Program Files (x86). Would it hurt to install SH3 in the same folder? Danasan, you got me thinking about putting SH3 on a 32gb thumb drive. Would that work? It sure would make it portable between 2 computers. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it. Last edited by GT182; 11-02-15 at 02:17 PM.