UK Politics Thread

[Skybird]

Ha, now I found something. The German HuffPost wrote about a group of German economists and advisors that the EU should create a new customs union called European Customs Association wehre all would be members, inclduing the UK, and the UK remaining to vote in economic decisions affecting all Europe. The experts said that the Backstop positions of all sides are unnegotiable for the EU, for the UK and for the republic of Ireland, and thus it must be taken out of the equation by this bypasing attempt.


The logic of why to do so, is fine, the Backstop thing gives the eU a total and potentially unlimited negotiation superiority over the UK in the future, this is unacceptable for the UK. A hard border is unacceptable for Ireland. and the EU does not want to give up its super trump card for the future that May was so stupid to prematurely agree to.





From the bots:

The backstop in the Withdrawal Agreement provides: If, after leaving the EU on 29 March and the transitional period to 31 December 2020, the UK has not entered into a trade agreement with the EU that would make a fixed Irish border redundant, ...

► ... Britain in a customs union with the EU ...

► ... and Northern Ireland also part of the internal market.

For the British, this is unacceptable because in this case there would probably be a border in the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and the rest of Britain. British MPs fear interference in the sovereignty of their country.

In addition, the authors write, the backstop of the EU has the advantage of negotiating future relations with the British. "In extreme cases, the EU could delay negotiations until the transitional period expires and the backstop comes into force," the authors of the paper point out the fears of the British government.

A limitation of the backstop is also for them no solution, because in this case, the advantage would go to Great Britain. "In extreme cases, a time limit could encourage the UK government to delay negotiations until the backstop has expired," the paper said. The British could then negotiate more concessions in a free trade agreement yet to be concluded.

It is therefore hard for the experts: The backstop is unstoppable.

Therefore, they make a controversial proposal.
How the experts want to dissolve the Brexit chaos:

The "politically feasible" proposal of the experts is: They want to create a new European Customs Union (called in the paper "European Customs Association (ECA)"). Then a fixed Irish border would be obsolete.

In this new customs union, Britain and the EU would have to agree on a common trade policy. Unlike in the backstop model, London should also get a vote on the proposal of the experts.

Then, for example, the British government would be involved in negotiations on trade agreements between the EU and third countries.

Especially Brexit hardliners had promised in the UK that the country can once again conclude trade agreements and lead its own trade policy after the EU's exit. After all, with the suggestion of the experts, Britain does not lose the say, as the backstop currently provides.

https://www.huffingtonpost.de/entry/...ef=de-homepage


Note this is not the position of the German government, but private talking. Also note the eU must hate this proposal, since the eU declares social issues and economic freedoms to be a monolithic unity that shall not be broken up. And finally it is a proposal closer to the psotiions of Labour than the Tories, so the May camp must hate it while Corbynistas maybe want to celebrate, I don't knwo.


My optimism doesnot start to grow, therefore.

[Jimbuna]

^ It's looking more and more that the UK will remain in the EU......unless Parliament can unite themselves.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Parliament can unite themselves.

Nice one Jim, another corker.

Get a beer out the fringe you are a star.

[Catfish]

Sorry, did not hear of anything either.
If anything they said that there is no further concession possible without creating unfair trade relations and ridiculing the idea of the EU.

[STEED]

Project fear reaches a all time new high, listening to the radio last night plans have been made to get the royal family out of the UK if the UK crashes out with no deal.

Sounds like some one called the....A-Team.

[Jimbuna]

Nissan has confirmed that the new X-Trail originally planned for its Sunderland plant will instead be made in Japan.

In a letter to workers, it says continued Brexit uncertainty is not helping firms to "plan for the future".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47107561

Brexit uncertainty is only a minor factor, the bigger one is the pending demise of diesel autos.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Brexit uncertainty is only a minor factor, the bigger one is the pending demise of diesel autos.

It seems over the weekend this was more of a scare story now it comes to light this is about and I quote what I heard on Sky News "Future Jobs" not yet created. And with tough diesel emission laws in the UK and probably getting tougher no wonder its all going Japan.

Moving on...

I don't believe the media story about a possible general election in June.

[Jimbuna]

Correctamundo, a previously little known fact or one that wasn't previously made public....the new diesel emissions requirements were never going to be met.

[Jimbuna]

Three days of talks have commenced.

MPs are meeting with the government to discuss alternative arrangements to the proposed Irish border "backstop", as three days of talks begin.

The Alternative Arrangements Working Group, with Leave and Remain MPs, met for the first time after the Commons voted to find another way of avoiding the return of Irish border checks.

Home Secretary Sajid Javid has said "existing technology" could be used.

But EU leaders have continued to rule out making changes to the backstop.

The Irish PM Leo Varadkar told RTE radio the UK was reviewing ideas that had "already been rejected", and it was "very frustrating" that the UK government was "going back to the idea of technology".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47110641

[STEED]

Mean while back in the Labour party....

Labour MPs urge more action against anti-semitism

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47123328

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by STEED

Mean while back in the Labour party....



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47123328

Thats almost as funny as the German government recently repeatingg once again they are with Israel and Auschwitz shall never happen again while heavily lobbying for Iran and trying desperately to do business with them and buy them the time needed to to get the means necessary to turn their threats true that they want to annihilate Israel once and forever. Shall nobody say the Germans have no sense of humour.



A world of non-anti-semitic comedians!

[Skybird]

and it was nice to hear how the tone in Brussel turns rough and Ireland was openly threatened to to be exlcuded form the common market by enforcing a tax regime on it if they would not do heavy action on realising a solid border with Northern Ireland in an attempt to prevent new terror and civil war.

It is obvious by that that foer the EU leaving a state of its empire shift into war and terror is preferrable to the outlook of not punishing the stubborn Brits as heavily as possible and bitterly defending their grap on the Backstop deal they managed to get agreed to by stupid May.

The damn EU should be a free trade zone only, and all demands and calls beyond that and all imperial effort to enforce foreign policies and social experiments and cultural reeducation and enforced migration and centralisng control of a de facto planned economy onto all members should be send to hell better yesterday than today.

Free trade zone. This the EU should have been today - and not one bit more.

To leave the Irish question to the end, was stupid by all involved sides, and naive. To agree to the Backstop solution was stupid by May. What Corbyn has to babble, is always adding new depth to the meaning of the word "stupid".

[Catfish]

OMFG do you have any evidence or at least a link to back up your defamatory statements?

Equal rights in Northern Ireland are threatend by brexit, not by the EU
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00339-y
https://www.ft.com/content/1a7af4ec-...9-c7e6ceb5ffdf


A threat by whom? Isn't it so that some Tories threatened Ireland with a food shortage in case of a backstop, and if it stayed in the EU?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...es-890762.html

The "backstop" was a british proposal, and the EU agreed to it as did Ireland. It is perfectly clear that there will be a hard border with no backstop, this was never in question. How else will England want to "protect its borders" in case of a no deal brexit? So it is so bad to say how it is aloud and call a spade a spade eh?
This has all be ignored during and since the brexit refeferendum, don't try to blame all this bull on the EU again.

[Catfish]

Barnier says backstop is 'only operational solution' to Irish border issue
so what does that really mean?

Brexit: Does the Irish peace accord rule out a hard border?

[Jimbuna]

Theresa May will try to reassure people in Northern Ireland that she can secure a Brexit deal that avoids a hard border with Ireland during a visit later.

In a speech to business leaders, the prime minister will pledge to secure a deal with the EU that "commands broad support" and a majority in parliament.

The DUP leader, Arlene Foster, said the "toxic backstop" remained the problem.

Brussels was "unfortunately turning their face against that" and needed respect for unionism in NI, she added.

Mrs Foster spoke out as the European Commission confirmed the prime minister will visit Brussels on Thursday for talks with its president Jean-Claude Juncker.

This follows a visit by Taoiseach (Irish Prime Minister) Leo Varadkar on Wednesday.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47123078

Good luck with that.