The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

[mapuc]

I have a question for you to think about

Why Paris, France ?

Why not Berlin, Madrid or London ?

[Tchocky]

Tying this to the recent refugee crisis is to miss what's been going on for years - inter-European bickering about information sharing and data collection.

A major Islamist terror attack in Europe is almost inevitable as European members of Islamic State (Isis) return from Syria and Iraq, according to senior EU officials familiar with the diplomatic, intelligence, and security planning taking place to try to counter the threat.

That's from over a year ago.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...itable-isis-eu

The EU has been trying to come up with a counter-terrorism strategy for the past 18 months. The current emergency is jolting the process, but officials are intensely pessimistic that the results will be too little, too late.
Various schemes are under discussion, most notably an EU-wide Passenger Names Record (PNR) for all air travel within the EU supplying up to 15 parameters that are mixed in a computer algorithm to help identify suspects.
The scheme is opposed in the European parliament on civil liberties grounds as it would monitor millions of ordinary travellers. The Germans, sticklers for data protection, are also lukewarm on the idea but are keener on reintroducing tighter border controls within the passport-free Schengen zone.

That brings the concern and effort back to March 2013.

Originally Posted by Skybird

If the story about that Syrian passport gets further confirmed, it means that those 130 people got killed and those hundreds got wounded in exchange for letting happen uncontrolled border crossing and unregulated mass migration. Nice trade. Headless sentimentality and wishful dreaming has quite a bit to do with it.

So no, not really. Certainly imposing heavy border checks and severely curtailing freedom of movement might have caught this in progress, but to frame it as you have as an even trade, one for the other, is false.


IS would have had no trouble getting fighters in place if there was no refugee crisis.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Sooo, we what is being said then its part of the new norm, we shouldnt get too worked about it. Well I mean as long as I can get too work other than that we shouldnt be concerned?

We shouldn't treat it as the end of the world.
The dog won't die becasue of a few fleas, France won't die becasue of a terrorist attack.
If your dog has fleas you take measures to kill the fleas and make some measures it won't catch them again. And that means not going after the entire Endopterygota* superorder just because one order is of a parasite variety.

And since terrorists want us to be affraid, concerning ourselves over it, cancelling travel, hidding in our houses, looking over our shoulder and giving governments powers over our personal life means THEY won and I'll personally send every one that became affraid a white flag so falsely given to the French by the internet in the last years and wave it with pride.


*Endopterygota superorder includes fleas, beetles, wasps, bees, ants and butterflies

[Oberon]

Huh, so fleas are in the same superorder as Butterflies...you learn something new every day.

Apparently an old co-worker and school friend was in Paris at the time, fortunately she is safe and is coming back soon. Police and army are everywhere apparently.

[Skybird]

France is amongst the front runners with having problems with its very huge Muslim population that grows rapidly. It also is part of the anti IS coalition, and has installed some legislation that are not in favour of Islamic demands. And as I said: a huge sub-group of IS' legionaires, are French. In a way one can say that France gets caught by the backleash of its own migration policies of the past half of a century. The integration of that huge Muslim influx, has failed on epic proportions. I knbow nio country in europe, where the integration of bigger Muslim communities was a success story.

Contemporary world events just were a spark that worked as the trigger.

Also, propaganda efforts by IS find many open ears in France, due to that high numbers of Muslims living there.

Many people will also say that those poor Muslim communities are disadvantaged and socially discriminated. Well, that formed up over decades, and to good parts even is true. The question however just is: why do they get discriminated and why do many people no longer want to have much to do with them anymore? Could their lacking integration that they refused to realise, have anything to do with it? Or does that hurt precious socialist feelings or violate political correctness that always claims the fault is ours, not theirs, and that we must just try harder to like them? Or is it maybe an even deeper fundamental incompatability between the value system as formalised in the French constitutional order and Western civilization, and Islamic morals and demands?

It should really catch your attention that where ever in Europe there are bigger Muslim communities, there are troubles, and these troubles grow practically everywhere. They just do not integrate. Other foreigners coming to Europe to fit in, over time melt in, adapt, integrate. Islam does not. Never did. Muslims allowing to get assimilated, are a minority, Muslims building successful, even exemplary careers, are even more an exception from the rule.

Maybe because the claimed word of Allah is put above earthly man-made values and rules, and due to its divine nature its rulership is not to be negotiated?

I hear the hypocrites yelling already, "Islam has nothing to do with what happened yesterday". It has all and everything to do with it. The shout Allahu Akbar! was to be heard on all places of the slaughtering.

"Moderate" Muslims may think that they do not belong to those barbars. But those barbars belong to these "moderate" Muslims nevertheless, they base on the same book, the same historical figure and story, they speak in that scriptures' name and correctly refer to it. They match the examples set up by Muhammad himself during his life much closer. When Muhammad could exterminate a whole Jewish tribe and execute all 900 male members, old and young, on the market place in Medina, while leading all women into working and sexual slavery: just because he felt offended by the educational intellectual superiority of the Jewish pharisees - why should he have a problem with his disciples slaughtering 130 infidels belonging to a culture that stands in Islam's way, hindering it to fulfill Muhammad's wanted heritage of world rulership?

I remind also of the fact that many of the attackers from London were no social losers or disadvantaged, discriminated victims of social injustice, but came from the social middle clas, had good jobs, homes, families. That should make people think.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Huh, so fleas are in the same superorder as Butterflies...you learn something new every day.

it's the superorder where animals start life as larvae

it means that buttelies are the same superorder as zerglings and hydralisks

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I hear the hypocrites yelling already, "Islam has nothing to do with what happened yesterday". It has all and everything to do with it. The shout Allahu Akbar! was to be heard on all places of the slaughtering.

I can kill people and yell ''für den Kaiser Franz Joseph'', will that mean it is an Austro-Hungarian issue ??

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Betonov

it's the superorder where animals start life as larvae

it means that buttelies are the same superorder as zerglings and hydralisks

Kekekekeke

Originally Posted by Betonov

I can kill people and yell ''für den Kaiser Franz Joseph'', will that mean it is an Austro-Hungarian issue ??

Depends if you kill an Ostrich, I guess...

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Skybird

In a way one can say that France gets caught by the backleash of its own migration policies of the past half of a century. The integration of that huge Muslim influx, has failed on epic proportions. I knbow nio country in europe, where the integration of bigger Muslim communities was a success story.

Oh for God's sake, two posts ago it was the result of recent EU border policymaking, now it's 50 years of French whatever.

Make up your mind.

I hear the hypocrites yelling already, "Islam has nothing to do with what happened yesterday". It has all and everything to do with it. The shout Allahu Akbar! was to be heard on all places of the slaughtering.

Well that's all the proof I need. I mean come on people, SHOUTING.

A psychopathic murderer who was taking innocent life before blowing himself up - why do you take that to be a reasonable source of motive?

Why is that proof to you?

Frankly I consider a murderous rampage to be a sign of a flawed mind, easily seduced by opportunistic sadists.

Apparently you think this is the sign of a well-adjusted honest thinker. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Wouldn't want to misrepresent your position.

"Moderate" Muslims may think that they do not belong to those barbars. But those barbars belong to these "moderate" Muslims nevertheless, they base on the same book, the same historical figure and story, they speak in that scriptures' name and correctly refer to it.

It's very nice of you to tell people who they are. You should get a newsletter as it appears the overwhelming majority of peaceful, non-insane Muslims don't have the right to refer to themselves as such. They're apostates, right?

They match the examples set up by Muhammad himself during his life much closer.

As always we get back to this - you can't have it both ways.

There can't be huge unintegrated Muslim populations in France if by your definition none of them are proper Muslims.


Fin

So Betonov, what's Lepidoptera then? I vaguely remember the term and don't wanna Google

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

So Betonov, what's Lepidoptera then? I vaguely remember the term and don't wanna Google

Butterlies and Lipidoptera is the order, part of the superorder Endopterygota, class Insecta, Phylum Arthrpoda, kingdom Animalia

[Rockstar]

As a metaphor this is almost peerless. As security or public policy it's lunacy. Like it or not we have a framework of human rights and process. If we decide to chuck it out the window, I guess that's possible (if undesirable in my view)

But if it's going to go, dismantle it rather than destroy it through negligence and disrespect.

lol, sorry, and appreciate your reply. But that was directed at the rockscientists who I believe made an attempt to liken terrorists to fleas. Just pointing out that unless its against your religion thats what you do to fleas. I think its a stupid analogy.

[Betonov]

They're called geologists and I'm more inclined for botany than geology.

And what part of the analogy you deem not correct, appart from the fact that it was made by a ''geologist'' that refuses to drop down to muslim generalisation drivel like many village drunkards do lately ??

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Betonov

They're called geologists and I'm more inclined for botany than geology.

And what part of the analogy you deem not correct, apart from the fact that it was made by a ''geologist'' that refuses to drop down to muslim generalisation drivel like many village drunkards do lately ??

As a geologist, i approve.
Drinking, is another thing

[Oberon]

Well, there are a lot of igneous people in the world...


That is to say that they are formed of hot temperatures, high pressure and sometimes float in water.

[mapuc]

Don't know how to put this so it doesn't sound like I'm for killing innocent people.

As said by Hollande, the attack seem to have been planned outside France, which indicate that ISIS is capable to plane and conduct simultanious attacks on foreign ground

But they(ISIS) are not clever- They could have paralized France or part of France by attacking other important things like poweplants railroad connections a.s.o

I'm wondering when they are going to change course and do that, attack a countries "bloodstream"

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