[REL] Real ASW Mod

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Originally Posted by padi

In LSH and Ccom the Date-Bug is corrected. I don't know, if that's the case for WAC, but I'm sure that it isn't corrected in GWX...
The cause is a error in the mission editor, you have to fix it manually in the files.

I am not 100% sure but now that you make me to think about it, I might know what causes the problem and, if I am correct, the same issue might apply to SH5 too.

I am going by memory here: there is a series of parameters applying to each unit in campaign (i.e. camoufflage, equipment and sensors) whose value can be set to "early", "mid" and "late" within Mission Editor. In practice, these parameters overseed start/end dates in units' .cfg, .eqp and .sns files and they make the game to look for the 1st, 2nd or 3rd item in the sequence of upgrades applying to the same node/unit, regardless of date settings of that item. If I rememeber correctly, "early", "mid" and "late" visible in ME, translate to values of 0, 1 and 2 in the campaign/mission files, as we see them in notepad.

I have no proof of what I am going to say, but I think that for making date settings to be applied as supposed, those numbers must be set to -1. This is something that must be done manually, as ME doesn't allow this kind of setting.

Originally Posted by padi

Thats right, for example the Fletcher need to have two more K-Guns added...

[Hebe Vollmaus]

Originally Posted by gap

I am not 100% sure but now that you make me to think about it, I might know what causes the problem and, if I am correct, the same issue might apply to SH5 too.

I am going by memory here: there is a series of parameters applying to each unit in campaign (i.e. camoufflage, equipment and sensors) whose value can be set to "early", "mid" and "late" within Mission Editor. In practice, these parameters overseed start/end dates in units' .cfg, .eqp and .sns files and they make the game to look for the 1st, 2nd or 3rd item in the sequence of upgrades applying to the same node/unit, regardless of date settings of that item. If I rememeber correctly, "early", "mid" and "late" visible in ME, translate to values of 0, 1 and 2 in the campaign/mission files, as we see them in notepad.

I have no proof of what I am going to say, but I think that for making date settings to be applied as supposed, those numbers must be set to -1. This is something that must be done manually, as ME doesn't allow this kind of setting.

I am not shure of what bug from the MissionEditor ME you guys talking. Also i cannot find an equivalent of "early", "mid" and "late" in ME. But all "Big Modes" and even unmodified SH3 have Quirks (i wil not call them Errors) in the Campaigne_RND.mis as an failure of the ME, or maybe by intention.

In the past i was not able to see red rwr-lines (even if i doubled them) from an rwr-group on the NavigationMap with zoom 25 or greater, when only one ship in the group has a wrong CfgDate. Above i called this also intention, never will i forget these horrible moments came out of TC and WO tells something like "We are under attack, Sir", and a Destroyer around 1km behind me.

So for my own installation i have created a Tool wich is able to copy all GameEntryDate= to CfgDate= (in .RndUnit only) and these shocking moments are gone.

If this is not the Bug you guys talking about, please talk a bit more.

Greetings.

[Edit]
Have found old threads.
and 2 links in post 7 about "Cfg-Bug".
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show....php?p=2084630
Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Hebe Vollmaus

[Edit]
Have found old threads.
and 2 links in post 7 about "Cfg-Bug".
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show....php?p=2084630
Thanks.

Thank you Hebe, I had missed your edit. That should discard any compatibility issue between padi's mod and GWX

Originally Posted by Hebe Vollmaus

I am not shure of what bug from the MissionEditor ME you guys talking. Also i cannot find an equivalent of "early", "mid" and "late" in ME.

You are right: I have just checked SHIII campaign files and, unlike SH5, there is no unit equipment, sensor nor camouflage entries there. So what I wrote yesterday about Mission Editor only applies to SH5, and maybe SH4... I tend to make a lot of confusion between the three games

Originally Posted by Hebe Vollmaus

In the past i was not able to see red rwr-lines (even if i doubled them) from an rwr-group on the NavigationMap with zoom 25 or greater, when only one ship in the group has a wrong CfgDate.

I don't quite get you here: what is an "rwr-group"? To me and in the context of WWII, RWR only has two meanings: "Radar Warning Receiver" and "Russian War Relief", but neither of them seems to apply to your sentence

[Hebe Vollmaus]

Originally Posted by gap

I don't quite get you here: what is an "rwr-group"? To me and in the context of WWII, RWR only has two meanings: "Radar Warning Receiver" and "Russian War Relief", but neither of them seems to apply to your sentence

Oh, sorry about that. rwr-group was false, it shoult has to be RND-Group.
What i mean is an [Goup X] of Warships in Campaigne_RND.mis with one ship which have CfgDate less then GameEntryDate.
Normaly, on Navigation-Map you get RWR Radar Warning Receiver lines from the whole group regardless of the zoom. But in this special case on zoom 25km and up i was not able see these lines.

Greetings.

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Originally Posted by Hebe Vollmaus

Oh, sorry about that. rwr-group was false, it shoult has to be RND-Group.
What i mean is an [Goup X] of Warships in Campaigne_RND.mis with one ship which have CfgDate less then GameEntryDate.
Normaly, on Navigation-Map you get RWR Radar Warning Receiver lines from the whole group regardless of the zoom. But in this special case on zoom 25km and up i was not able see these lines.

Greetings.

Okay thanks, your explaination is totally clear now

[schlechter pfennig]

I'd be happy to help integrate the depth charge noise mod with yours, and help out in other respects as well. I had a mod called "increased asw", so it's not like I'm not used to this particular area.

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Originally Posted by schlechter pfennig

I'd be happy to help integrate the depth charge noise mod with yours, and help out in other respects as well. I had a mod called "increased asw", so it's not like I'm not used to this particular area.

I am not the initiator of this mod/thread, but as far as I am concerned you are welcome in the team schlechter pfennig!
Let's wait for padi to reply to your proposal of collaboration, and we will see how to best coordinate our respective skills.

Originally Posted by rudewarrior

So, I have been following a couple of mods here, and I just thought I should go ahead and post. I am not going to claim to be an expert modder, but I (think I) have done some modding to make this work. I am willing to accept that I could be completely wrong.

The mods I have been following are the Real ASW mod, the Depth Charge noise mod, and, to a lesser extent, the Torpedo Alarm Mod.

Basically, I play a heavily mod-souped version of GWX. I have managed to mod the Real ASW Mod into it. I went through and modified all of the .cfg files (at least some of the time working with MFM 3.3 .cfg files) and all of the .eqp files (at least some of the time working with RCB's SH4 effects for SH3 mod). I basically powered through the PITA and edited all the files to incorporate padi's mod, and, well, I think it works. Later in the war, the depth charges seem more powerful and reach depth to explode a lot sooner, as it should (this is not empirically determined, tho, it just seems that way). It is also stable, considering the soupyness of my mod list.

Now, I have been working(-ish) with schlechter pfennig on his Depth Charge noise mod. I haven't been doing near as much as he. It seems also he has started running into a CTD problem that I was experiencing too (and I also experienced it with TDW's Depth charge water disturbances). I am going to let that play out a little bit, since he seems to be focused on getting it to work with WAC as opposed to GWX.

What I would like to see, is not only this mod working, but also working with the Depth Charge noise mod (and also the Torpedo Alarm Mod, since it generates DC's, which would in turn generate Bold decoys). It would be nice to see this combination of mods such that more powerful DC's exist later in the war, but you can still escape escorts that are DC only (obviously, with hedgehogs, it can get really bad). As a side note, I think it would be nice to have your torpedoes create disturbances too ala the Torpedo Alarm Mod, but that doesn't absolutely have to happen.

Ultimately, I don't know if this information will help anyone. But it seems to me that:

1. It works with GWX (albeit modded).
2. It is a great idea (keep up the good work).
3. It seems to be an idea that could work well with the Depth Charge noise mod (and others).
4. I really like it.

Anyway, keep up the good work, and I hope my rambling might help or inspire you in some way.

Wow thanks for the reply. I'm not very confident in modding cfg files though. I'm just looking to maybe get this mod working with GWX3. But with the way downloads are so insanely limited I'd rather spend those precious few mbs getting a mod I know will work.

Downloaded one freaking mod yesterday, and I'm still on "cool down" on downloads. If only the internet had more than one website from which we could download from. Perhaps one day, technology will advance that far!