Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2 - Page 14

mapuc · 07-31-23, 05:35 PM

Quote:

The Ukrainian army will target 14 Russian cities including Moscow on August 24

https://twitter.com/YourAnonOne/stat...61447433785344

Markus

Skybird · 07-31-23, 05:42 PM

No word on when I will become rich?

mapuc · 07-31-23, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

No word on when I will become rich?

You're right I should have added

I'll believe it when I see it or hear about it.

Why!? Why giving away a surprise ? what is the psychological in this ?

Markus

tonschk · 07-31-23, 09:26 PM

The West sells out Ukraine as counteroffensive flops

Jimbuna · 08-01-23, 03:30 AM

Jimbuna · 08-01-23, 03:58 AM

Skybird · 08-01-23, 06:06 AM

Three freighters ignored the wanigns by Russia and headed for Ukraine, under close surveillance by NATO planes. The yuhave reahce dtheir desotnaiton harbour and will be loaded with grain.

It is not known whether Russia's navy was unwilling or unable to intercept them. We will never known if NATO would have militarily intervened with its planes if the Russians would have escalated .

The Russians imo, and I may be wrong here, would have little legal argument if they would attack international ships inside 12nm territorial waters of sovereign states that are NATO members. If freighters leaving Ukraine harbours make it through Ukrainian or international waters and then into the national waters of Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey and to the Bosporus, from a legal standpoint they would be "safe" from the moment on they slide from ukrianain into Romanian waters. Or not? Anyone knowing the specific details of this scenario?

Catfish · 08-01-23, 06:29 AM

Meanwhile Medyedyev threatens with nuclear retaliation, if Ukraine wins the war, or cuts off a part of Russia.

While Putin defines what Russia is

Jimbuna · 08-01-23, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Three freighters ignored the wanigns by Russia and headed for Ukraine, under close surveillance by NATO planes. The yuhave reahce dtheir desotnaiton harbour and will be loaded with grain.

It is not known whether Russia's navy was unwilling or unable to intercept them. We will never known if NATO would have militarily intervened with its planes if the Russians would have escalated .

The Russians imo, and I may be wrong here, would have little legal argument if they would attack international ships inside 12nm territorial waters of sovereign states that are NATO members. If freighters leaving Ukraine harbours make it through Ukrainian or international waters and then into the national waters of Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey and to the Bosporus, from a legal standpoint they would be "safe" from the moment on they slide from ukrianain into Romanian waters. Or not? Anyone knowing the specific details of this scenario?

I doubt NATO would intervene in such a scenario but once it tok place I'd like to think NATO would create a convoy system for protection purposes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Meanwhile Medyedyev threatens with nuclear retaliation, if Ukraine wins the war, or cuts off a part of Russia.

While Putin defines what Russia is

I believe Medvedev is the loose cannon and therefore potentially the more dangerous of the two.

God only knows what the future holds if he eventually replaces Putin for whatever reason.

Jimbuna · 08-01-23, 08:01 AM

This is quite interesting and believable....at least it's not from the Hindustan Times

mapuc · 08-01-23, 08:02 AM

Is NATO taking a more active role in this war by giving air support to civilian freighters/merchants ?

Markus

Jimbuna · 08-01-23, 08:10 AM

No more than that already in place but I'd have thought things could quickly be ramped up if the Orcs choose to escalate.

Skybird · 08-01-23, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I doubt NATO would intervene in such a scenario but once it tok place I'd like to think NATO would create a convoy system for protection purposes.

If that were true, it means Russia can attack ships in NATO's territorial waters (12nm zone) without consequences. Thinking that to the end means Russia can also shoot down planes in NATO airpace without NATO reacting to that.

I think if that were true, and by guts feeling I doubt it, then NATO can do itself away and leave the stage of history, because then one must expect that even a Russian attack on NATO soil would not have an according reaction. What use would NATO then have?

mapuc · 08-01-23, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

If that were true, it means Russia can attack ships in NATO's territorial waters (12nm zone) without consequences. Thinking that to the end means Russia can also shoot down planes in NATO airpace without NATO reacting to that.

I think if that were true, and by guts feeling I doubt it, then NATO can do itself away and leave the stage of history, because then one must expect that even a Russian attack on NATO soil would not have an according reaction. What use would NATO then have?

I've tried to find some news about this without any luck-Not meaning it hasn't happened.

The only article I could find regarding this grain issue is that Ukraine and Croatia have made a deal, so grain from Ukraine can be shipped from Croatian harbours.

Quote:

Following Russia’s pullout from the Black Sea Grain Initiative, Croatia has agreed to the use of its ports on the Danube River and Adriatic Sea to transport Ukrainian grain to international markets.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/20081

Markus

Ostfriese · 08-01-23, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Meanwhile Medyedyev threatens with nuclear retaliation

How often has he done that by now? Surely a hundred times, right?

07-31-23, 05:42 PM	#197
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,554 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	No word on when I will become rich? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-31-23, 09:26 PM	#199
tonschk Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,200 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	The West sells out Ukraine as counteroffensive flops The West sells out Ukraine as counteroffensive flops __________________ What we do in life echoes in Eternity

08-01-23, 03:30 AM	#200
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-01-23, 03:58 AM	#201
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-01-23, 06:06 AM	#202
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,554 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Three freighters ignored the wanigns by Russia and headed for Ukraine, under close surveillance by NATO planes. The yuhave reahce dtheir desotnaiton harbour and will be loaded with grain. It is not known whether Russia's navy was unwilling or unable to intercept them. We will never known if NATO would have militarily intervened with its planes if the Russians would have escalated . The Russians imo, and I may be wrong here, would have little legal argument if they would attack international ships inside 12nm territorial waters of sovereign states that are NATO members. If freighters leaving Ukraine harbours make it through Ukrainian or international waters and then into the national waters of Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey and to the Bosporus, from a legal standpoint they would be "safe" from the moment on they slide from ukrianain into Romanian waters. Or not? Anyone knowing the specific details of this scenario? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-01-23, 06:29 AM	#203
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Meanwhile Medyedyev threatens with nuclear retaliation, if Ukraine wins the war, or cuts off a part of Russia. While Putin defines what Russia is __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-01-23, 08:01 AM	#205
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	This is quite interesting and believable....at least it's not from the Hindustan Times __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-01-23, 08:02 AM	#206
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,948 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Is NATO taking a more active role in this war by giving air support to civilian freighters/merchants ? Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

08-01-23, 08:10 AM	#207
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	No more than that already in place but I'd have thought things could quickly be ramped up if the Orcs choose to escalate. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)