US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[August]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I have to admit, I always a kick of how clueless most Europeans are about US politics.

You surf most conservative sites, you see everyone is blaming Ryan for this, not Trump. Trump tried his best to sell the deal, no one can fault his efforts.

The real culprit here are the GOP congressmen, who spent 7 years railing against Obamacare and can't even agree on a replacement plan. They are the ones who will have to answer to their constituents when they run for re-election next year.

Yep, even worse they claimed to have a replacement plan already prepared but it looks like they just cobbled this together like a college kid who waits to the night before an essay is due before even starting on it.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

Yep, even worse they claimed to have a replacement plan already prepared but it looks like they just cobbled this together like a college kid who waits to the night before an essay is due before even starting on it.

This is a very telling moment for the GOP, and may be Trump's biggest gamble post election.

[Skybird]

Who was the bigmouth telling people that he could change Washington over night and make America great again all by himself...?

A competent man in his seat would not have pushed something he knew he had no support for, and so avoided this disgrace. He would have spent more time on preparing better instead of lectuirng the press about fak enews, making himself enemies in his own system, offending the secret services and so forth. Simple truth his Trump is busy most of the time with being a bigmouth. And when relaity does not fall to its knees in front of his endless tweets and tirades, it is not this man's guilt...? You guys over there really deserved what you got with him then!

Trump was credited with beign a great negotiator. But he overestimated himself and the importance of this bill for those who now let himstanding in the rain. And as a German analyst noted yesterday - the bill became the more unpopular the more Trump linked it to his own name and made it the boss' own project.

The same analyst noted that Trump's attempts to intimidate and threaten, does not really impress too many: when a judge stopped his migration ban, he opened fire at the judges in general - and got the second ban on a silver plate short time later. When the secret services leaked details on links between his team and Russia, he threatened them again after he already had offended them before - and the FBI walks on the stage and embarrassed him. Now he set up an ultimatum to his own party - and they shrug shoulders and leave him behind.

Making America great again? So far all he pulls out of his top-hat is loud words, bad behaviour, clueless thinking and weak doing. And the party? May have had a good time rambling about what went wrong in the past years - and was so focussed on it that it forget to stay trained in dealing with reality and mastering the simple essential tools of political trade.

Incompetence and dilletantism and always a big mouth - the three dominant characteristics of this regime so far. True for the "president", true for the party.

Pah! You get what you vote for.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

Dude why is it that you never seem to be able to make a statement without attempting to precast and vilify anyone who might possibly hold a different opinion than you? I mean it's your second sentence. What chance do you think you have of getting the proper debate that you claim to seek if you poison the waters of discourse so early on before anyone has a chance to even read the body of what you write?

I'm not sure where in the US constitution it says that a person must liquidate all their their personal assets before assuming the office of the president nor do I recall it saying that family members are prohibited from seeing/talking to him about what they want pretty much whenever they want.

Because of the familial access they have to the president a security clearance is given to every member of his immediate family including little children. That does not mean however they have the right to demand (or claim) access to classified information and it's not correct to imply that it does. It just allows them to move without escort in areas of the White House not open to the public.

This is rhetoric drivel once again and on so many levels that I really could not make myself caring any longer.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This is rhetoric drivel once again and on so many levels that I really could not make myself caring any longer.

How convenient. It's clear to me from this and your past diatribes that you do not understand us or our political system at all but there is no telling you that so believe what you want.

[Skybird]

This time I don't post it in PC and Hardware section, but in US politics.

LINK - Senate puts isp-profits over your privacy

LINK - Why this matters

LINK - action for US citizens

LINK - What PC users can do as first aid

LINK - readers' comments

Especially the comment by a guy named "fp" is worth to be noted:

As is usually the case, the real issue is missed.


Such acts are a reflection of the utter corruption of the system. We went from corporate interests controlling the govt to them BEING the govt. So this sort of behavior is a logical conclusion of that fact and Jefferson predicted it. Expect worse.


The current reality is that there is NOBODY in the system to care about and protect the public. If the public wants its rights it has to FIGHT to get them back. If it does not–which is usually the case–it does not deserve them.
Many Americans are terribly naive about freedom — just because they have enjoyed some of it for a long time they take it for granted. They tolerate creeping violations and will do until it’s too late. There is also the notion that the world progresses from dictatorship to democracy, which false. When power finds no obstacles…

[vienna]

Originally Posted by August

How convenient. It's clear to me from this and your past diatribes that you do not understand us or our political system at all but there is no telling you that so believe what you want.

Oh I don't know if that's entirely true; considering how the Trump administration and the GOP have been approaching the concept of governance, our country's 'leadership' is becoming more akin to what is found in many other countries, and, in the case of Trump's leadership 'style', perhaps even closer to some 'banana republics'...

After the election, the effects began to set in: finger pointing about the results, a party in disarray, factional infighting, the inability of its leaders to coalesce support, direction-less and wandering policy statements, having to deal with the scandals uncovered during the campaign, a failure of its leaders to form any sort of consensus, and just a general failure of leadership at all. Sounds like what the GOP was saying about the DEMs after last November's election, while they laughed loud and heartily and patted them selves on the back. The main problem for the GOP is all the above now describes the GOP after they put Trump in office. The DEMs, as noted before, haven't had to lift a finger or spend a cent in order to make their case against Trump and the GOP: the GOP is doing it for them themselves. All the DEMs have to do is stand aside and let Trump and the GOP write their mid-term campaigns for them...

Well, for the GOP, there's bad news and there's bad news; without Trumpcare passing, they have greatly reduced political capital, really a bad thing if this continues into the mid-terms; and now there is no major distraction to what may come in the Russian-Trump Campaign probes. Now the media, and, more importantly, the voters will be able to turn full attention to the investigations. Can we perhaps expect another WikiLeaks disgorging soon? Anything to deflect from failures and scandal?...

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes is digging the grave a little deeper day by day. Not only has he had to walk back the majority of statements he had made after he scurried off to get instructions from the Trump Mothership, not only has he had to admit he really had nothing to show for his claims, not only did he have to apologize to the Co-Chair and the rest of the committee, now he has made a unilateral and politically very questionable decision to hold the rest of the hearings behind closed doors. Exactly what is it he (and the Mothership) are afraid to let see the light of day?:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/u...ence.html?_r=0

For an administration and party who were pounding the podiums about public transparency and uncovering corruption, graft, and governmental illegalities, you know, "Draining The Swamp", Trump and the GOP have now stopped pounding the podiums and find it better to hide behind them...



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[ValoWay]

Ryan was going gainst O-Care since 2009. They had 8 years to study its flaws and how to make it better but what they came up with they probably wrote on a coaster the day before the deadline.. The opposition always seems to know better in western politics..

[Skybird]

^ Both men failed here. Ryan for making an incompetent law, and Trump campaigning for it and going against all odds, trying to bluff and bully.

Not with those cards, man, not with those cards...

He could and should have known. And people knowing more about politics than Trump ever will, probably would have known. This tells you that not just Trump did not realise it, but that he either does not listen to advisers, or that he has no competent advisers. Maybe a mad man only has madvisers.

Next the "I do it alone and over night"-man will try a tax reform. Somethign that previous administraitosn have shied away form since - since when...? Since a dman long time for sure.

Popcorn, I need more popcorn, this is great show, verrrry grrreat shouw.... The faster you drive a car against the wall, the louder the bang and the higher the pieces fly into the air

[Platapus]

One thing Trump is positive about is that he is not to blame for any of this. It seems like everyone else is to blame. Awesome leadership ability.

The buck stops somewhere over there.

Even though I despise Hillary Clinton as a potential president (and I do), I wonder if she would not have been the better of two lousy choices?

At least her corrupt administration would move smoothly as everyone would be paid off

Given two horrible choices between incompetence and corruption, I am starting to think that incompetence was not the wise decision for the United States.

Maybe that dry frying pan would be a little bit better after all.

Gonna be a long four years.

[August]

Originally Posted by ValoWay

Ryan was going gainst O-Care since 2009. They had 8 years to study its flaws and how to make it better but what they came up with they probably wrote on a coaster the day before the deadline.. The opposition always seems to know better in western politics..

I think they didn't work on a plan in all that time because they didn't see themselves ever in the position of having to actually produce one. They, by which I mean the old school GoP leadership, are just too comfortable with their status as losers. Trump, the Tea Party, the Freedom Caucus, these all are signs that the base has lost confidence in the leadership and are rebelling against them.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Who was the bigmouth telling people that he could change Washington over night and make America great again all by himself...?

The guy with a very well armed number of supporters who are fed up with the Fed.


Not too mention fed up with the whole shift to the left by exposing our impressionable youth to foreign ideas gaining traction via "our" internet.

[Rockstar]

[vienna]

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[Skybird]

BMOTUS does what he can do best (being a big mouth) and has shown again what an elementary-school-level understanding of politics he has.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ge...ence-dl7dk629k

Sorry Donny, no chance that will come true. But nice joke.

And no, while i would like to see it, I do not expect to see that Germany will raise defence budgets to 2% of GDP in the coming two or three government periods. Instead the germans will - pointlessly - insist on that their development aid should be calculated as "defence costs".

Drilling for sweet water in the Sahel zone will deter Russia from doing somethign stupid in East Europe, you know.

A reasonable reaction by the US would be not presenting this bill, but to simply systematically reduce military presence in Europe - not to pose and to intimidate, but due to indeed really mean what one is doing: leaving Europe more and more alone and turning a military back on it. To that, Europe either reacts then by trying to become stronger itself militarily, or it does not and remains to be a toothless somebody. In the end, US interests by now are stronger located in the Far East than in Europe. Let the Europeans care for what essentially is their very own business and interest.