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Tigrone · 03-26-07, 12:35 AM

What is Terrain Objects LOD Size? What impact does it have on frames? There is not an explanation in the manual or game. Neither mentions Terrain Objects Density (I can figure that out) or Terrain Objects LOD Size.

OakGroove · 03-26-07, 02:50 PM

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My first guess was the higher the LOD size, the further out high poly models would be displayed before switching to a lower LOD. However, according to GFX presets, it's actually the other way around !?

[Minimum]
DepthBufferEffects=0
Filters=0
Glare=0
UnderwaterDispMap=0
LightShafts=0
3DShipWakes=0
DetailedWaveRipples=0
UnitNormalMaps=0
ShipCausticsEffects=0
Ship3DDamage=0
CharacterDetail=0
ParticlesDetail=5
TerrainObjectsDensity=2
TerrainObjectsLODSize=10
GammaCorrection=50

[Medium]
DepthBufferEffects=0
Filters=0
Glare=0
UnderwaterDispMap=1
LightShafts=0
3DShipWakes=1
DetailedWaveRipples=1
UnitNormalMaps=1
ShipCausticsEffects=1
Ship3DDamage=1
CharacterDetail=1
ParticlesDetail=8
TerrainObjectsDensity=5
TerrainObjectsLODSize=8
GammaCorrection=50

[Full]
DepthBufferEffects=1
Filters=1
Glare=1
UnderwaterDispMap=1
LightShafts=1
3DShipWakes=1
DetailedWaveRipples=1
UnitNormalMaps=1
ShipCausticsEffects=1
Ship3DDamage=2
CharacterDetail=1
ParticlesDetail=10
TerrainObjectsDensity=8
TerrainObjectsLODSize=5
GammaCorrection=50

Egan · 03-26-07, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yes, it looks like your card is the bottle neck. Find a site where you can compare you current card and this one. This will tell the story if you are getting more juice than your current card compared to this one. This is what I did. I had a Nvidia 6200 oc and the game was just playable, no more. I compared it to several cards and decided on the Radeon X1300 XGE 512mg card. HUGE difference. I'm very pleased with it.

Well, I looked at a couple of sites and the 7950 GT looks like being the best bang for buck within my price range. I'm curious about the ATi cards, though, and I wonder whether this would be an ideal time to try one out seeing as how I probably would have to plan on keeping it for the next two years.

Cheers for the advice. Now I just have work monitors out....

Tigrone · 03-26-07, 03:51 PM

Thank you OakGroove,
But, what is Terrain Objects LOD? What does it do? What does LOD stand for?

Quote:

Originally Posted by OakGroove

^
My first guess was the higher the LOD size, the further out high poly models would be displayed before switching to a lower LOD. However, according to GFX presets, it's actually the other way around !

OakGroove · 03-26-07, 04:42 PM

NP 08x15, LOD stands for Level Of Detail, this entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_o...l_(programming) explains it thoroughly. In case of SH4 i guess the terrain LOD slider affects Scenary LOD, i.e. Buildings, trees, rocks, seaweed etc.

Tigrone · 03-26-07, 05:01 PM

Thank you OakGrove. I got it.

Javelin · 03-26-07, 05:01 PM

Gateway Intel Pentium 4 2.8MHz
Radeon X1300 256 MB DDR2 PCI graphics card Supports shader model 3.0
1 gig mem.

Can I play SH4 with the above.

Iron Budokan · 03-26-07, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Javelin

Gateway Intel Pentium 4 2.8MHz
Radeon X1300 256 MB DDR2 PCI graphics card Supports shader model 3.0
1 gig mem.

Can I play SH4 with the above.

You should be able to. I have the same specs, same GFX card, except I have 2 G ram. It's still a little jerky at times for me, but at least you should be able to play.

Dustyboats · 03-26-07, 06:12 PM

Hi There Gizzmoe,
Putting crew through paces went softly to P/Depth using icon. Surfaced: Then did "Crash Dive" with icon. On depth gauge set 8oft....no problem. Used icon to go P/Depth.......voices cleared the bridge, yelled Dive Dive Dive...they must have bee pretty peeved off with me dragging them along on the bridge at 80ft....any ideas kind sir ? Regards....Dusty

GoldenEagle8 · 03-26-07, 08:44 PM

most of the time I get around 6-10 FPS, When I turn on the enviornmental effects, I get 2-3 FPS on the Bridge and out side the boat.

I have an AMD 1.8GHz Prossessor
an ATI 200m graphics card
and 1 Gig of RAM.

If I add a second Gig of RAM, will I get up to 6-10 FPS out side my boat with Enviornmental effects on?
Will a second Gig of RAM improve my frame rate outside my boat? Or should I look into overclocking my current prossessor, or a new one all together?

Miika · 03-27-07, 03:12 AM

I have been playing the game for a few days now, and I must say I like it a lot. I like the way the periscope and TCD are set up, as well as the new crew management etc.

I would like the radar to be more user-friendly, though, and I hope the bugs will be corrected. Nevertheless, my thanks to the developers for a great game, with the following disclaimer, though

.

What really troubles me is a problem I suppose has something to do with copy protection. Once I insert the DVD, in only works (if at all) after a few (1-15 times) of inserting and re-inserting the DVD to the drive (Samsung SH-S162L lightscribe). Even then, it might take quite a long time until the splash screen appears. I'm writing this after 25min of trying, still the DVD won't work. I have the Collector's edition.

I'v had the same problem with games such as FEAR and Company of Heroes (which both I took back to the retailer). I just like SH4 so much I wouldn't like to do that.

I've had no problems with other games, music CDs or other DVDs. Hence I believe the problem is in the DVD.

My drivers are all up to date, and the game itself (once it works) works fine.

Does anyone have any (legal) solution to this, or at least can anyone suggest a DVD drive that can cope (read) with most of the copy protection? It is pretty frustrating I can't play something I've paid for. Any help from the developers?

It has now been around 35min and still not working..

Miika

Gizzmoe · 03-27-07, 03:17 AM

Some standard advice:
Reboot your PC, then try again.
Make sure the DVD is clean.
Update the firmware of your DVD drive
Buy a cleaning CD to clean the laser lens.

P_Funk · 03-27-07, 03:53 AM

Looks like even though Starforce is history, copy protection won't stop harassing the Silent Hunter seies.

Miika · 03-27-07, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

Some standard advice:
Reboot your PC, then try again.
Make sure the DVD is clean.
Update the firmware of your DVD drive
Buy a cleaning CD to clean the laser lens.

Tried all the above, to no avail.

As everything else works fine, all I can think of is DVD drive - SH4 mismatch. Appears I have to try buying a new DVD drive. Bummer...

Nevertheless, thanks for the tips

.

Miika

MLF · 03-27-07, 06:58 AM

Have loaded SH4 Ok. Also patch. Go into menu and select a quick mission. Loads up and there I am in the control room.

Problem

:- FPS flicks constantly between 50 down to 1 ie: 50-1-38-1-49-1 etc. Mouse Pointing to anything is almost impossible - extremely sluggish. Water doesn't render except in wake. Any ideas plz?

MLF

03-26-07, 12:35 AM	#136
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	What is Terrain Objects LOD Size? What is Terrain Objects LOD Size? What impact does it have on frames? There is not an explanation in the manual or game. Neither mentions Terrain Objects Density (I can figure that out) or Terrain Objects LOD Size. __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

03-26-07, 05:01 PM	#141
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Level of Detail, it's always obvious after you're told. Thank you OakGrove. I got it. __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

03-26-07, 05:01 PM	#142
Javelin Gunner Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New York city Posts: 98 Downloads: 189 Uploads: 0	Information Gateway Intel Pentium 4 2.8MHz Radeon X1300 256 MB DDR2 PCI graphics card Supports shader model 3.0 1 gig mem. Can I play SH4 with the above.

03-26-07, 06:12 PM	#144
Dustyboats Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Southampton. UK Posts: 189 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Dive Sequences. Hi There Gizzmoe, Putting crew through paces went softly to P/Depth using icon. Surfaced: Then did "Crash Dive" with icon. On depth gauge set 8oft....no problem. Used icon to go P/Depth.......voices cleared the bridge, yelled Dive Dive Dive...they must have bee pretty peeved off with me dragging them along on the bridge at 80ft....any ideas kind sir ? Regards....Dusty

03-26-07, 08:44 PM	#145
GoldenEagle8 Engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: I think I'm lost? Posts: 206 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	most of the time I get around 6-10 FPS, When I turn on the enviornmental effects, I get 2-3 FPS on the Bridge and out side the boat. I have an AMD 1.8GHz Prossessor an ATI 200m graphics card and 1 Gig of RAM. If I add a second Gig of RAM, will I get up to 6-10 FPS out side my boat with Enviornmental effects on? Will a second Gig of RAM improve my frame rate outside my boat? Or should I look into overclocking my current prossessor, or a new one all together? __________________ "YES! Everything I do is a surprise! EVEN TO ME!" "Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." ~Otto von Bismarck "I thought so little, they rewarded me by making me the ruler of the Queen's Navy." ~Sir Joseph Porter (HMS Pinafore)

03-26-07, 02:50 PM	#137
OakGroove 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 275 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	^ My first guess was the higher the LOD size, the further out high poly models would be displayed before switching to a lower LOD. However, according to GFX presets, it's actually the other way around !? [Minimum] DepthBufferEffects=0 Filters=0 Glare=0 UnderwaterDispMap=0 LightShafts=0 3DShipWakes=0 DetailedWaveRipples=0 UnitNormalMaps=0 ShipCausticsEffects=0 Ship3DDamage=0 CharacterDetail=0 ParticlesDetail=5 TerrainObjectsDensity=2 TerrainObjectsLODSize=10 GammaCorrection=50 [Medium] DepthBufferEffects=0 Filters=0 Glare=0 UnderwaterDispMap=1 LightShafts=0 3DShipWakes=1 DetailedWaveRipples=1 UnitNormalMaps=1 ShipCausticsEffects=1 Ship3DDamage=1 CharacterDetail=1 ParticlesDetail=8 TerrainObjectsDensity=5 TerrainObjectsLODSize=8 GammaCorrection=50 [Full] DepthBufferEffects=1 Filters=1 Glare=1 UnderwaterDispMap=1 LightShafts=1 3DShipWakes=1 DetailedWaveRipples=1 UnitNormalMaps=1 ShipCausticsEffects=1 Ship3DDamage=2 CharacterDetail=1 ParticlesDetail=10 TerrainObjectsDensity=8 TerrainObjectsLODSize=5 GammaCorrection=50

03-26-07, 04:42 PM	#140
OakGroove 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 275 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	NP 08x15, LOD stands for Level Of Detail, this entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_o...l_(programming) explains it thoroughly. In case of SH4 i guess the terrain LOD slider affects Scenary LOD, i.e. Buildings, trees, rocks, seaweed etc.

03-27-07, 03:12 AM	#146
Miika A-ganger Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Helsinki Posts: 78 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	DVD vs. copy protection? I have been playing the game for a few days now, and I must say I like it a lot. I like the way the periscope and TCD are set up, as well as the new crew management etc. I would like the radar to be more user-friendly, though, and I hope the bugs will be corrected. Nevertheless, my thanks to the developers for a great game, with the following disclaimer, though. What really troubles me is a problem I suppose has something to do with copy protection. Once I insert the DVD, in only works (if at all) after a few (1-15 times) of inserting and re-inserting the DVD to the drive (Samsung SH-S162L lightscribe). Even then, it might take quite a long time until the splash screen appears. I'm writing this after 25min of trying, still the DVD won't work. I have the Collector's edition. I'v had the same problem with games such as FEAR and Company of Heroes (which both I took back to the retailer). I just like SH4 so much I wouldn't like to do that. I've had no problems with other games, music CDs or other DVDs. Hence I believe the problem is in the DVD. My drivers are all up to date, and the game itself (once it works) works fine. Does anyone have any (legal) solution to this, or at least can anyone suggest a DVD drive that can cope (read) with most of the copy protection? It is pretty frustrating I can't play something I've paid for. Any help from the developers? It has now been around 35min and still not working.. Miika __________________ Constantem Decorat Honor

03-27-07, 03:17 AM	#147
Gizzmoe Silent Hunter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,668 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Some standard advice: Reboot your PC, then try again. Make sure the DVD is clean. Update the firmware of your DVD drive Buy a cleaning CD to clean the laser lens.

03-27-07, 03:53 AM	#148
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 128 Uploads: 0	Looks like even though Starforce is history, copy protection won't stop harassing the Silent Hunter seies. __________________

03-27-07, 06:58 AM	#150
MLF Weps Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SW France Posts: 361 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Have loaded SH4 Ok. Also patch. Go into menu and select a quick mission. Loads up and there I am in the control room. Problem :- FPS flicks constantly between 50 down to 1 ie: 50-1-38-1-49-1 etc. Mouse Pointing to anything is almost impossible - extremely sluggish. Water doesn't render except in wake. Any ideas plz? MLF __________________ Je pense donc je fuis!