type 3 sub mod

Consigliere · 06-12-13, 04:31 AM

Greetings, captains.
I have a question, which i already asked before... but now it is more serious.
I want to mod type 3 sub (XXI in game) to have stern torpedo tubes.
Right now i do have a sub model with 2 stern tubes (will be 4 in the release version, so 10 tubes total) and a working config (exept menu buttons to control them, but i can open/close them by Y->Q/W). The only thing left is to introduce a stern torpedo room to the sub, but i do not know how to do it... I've modified basic.cfg and Uboat.zon. But nothing. Have not yet modified files in Menu\cfg\game, but i really doubt that they control this... And still have to modify the menu.ini...
So, for now i do have two questions:
1) have somebody tried to do it before (i mean stern torp room on type 0 or 3 sub)?
2) have somebody (OLC, Makman), who have modified the menu, found something in menu.ini, that controls an appearance of stern torpedo room depending on a sub type?

p.s. and one more:
3) there are menu pages corresponding to sub types (for type 3 it is 0F)... they points to .ini file (menu_UBoats.ini), which is missing in stock game... have somebody tried to introduce it?

desertstriker · 06-12-13, 05:52 AM

probably need to model it

Consigliere · 06-12-13, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertstriker

probably need to model it

hmm... to model what? The stern torp room? Think you've misunderstood me...
- I do have a prototype type 3 sub 3d model with stern torp tubes
- I've configured those tubes to work in game (right now i can open/close them through Y->Q/W, as i have not modified the menu.ini file yet to add appropriate buttons to fire, thus having CTDs when trying to access periscopes for example. Will do it soon)
Variant in 3dsMax:

Prototype in game:

But! I can not manage crew in a stern torpedo comartment, as i do not have it on barracs/crew management screens on type 3 sub (in stock game only types 1 (VII) & 2 (IX) have stern torp rooms).

So the question was/is - how to enable stern torp room on a type 0 (II) or type 3 (XXI) subs?
Right now i really doubt that it is hardcoded. I do think it is somehow controlled by menu.ini or some other config file...

desertstriker · 06-12-13, 03:07 PM

no it is in the files for the game first i am sure you need to model that room for the management screen (though it looks like you have one already) then you need to make a control zone and nodes for it. take a look at the type IX and VII files to see what is different.

Also can you use the historical names instead of type 1, 2, 3. It is terribly confusing when you give an entirely different type. heck the only reason i looked at this in the first pace was i thought you where making an entirely new submarine to go in game IE a type III

Consigliere · 06-13-13, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertstriker

Also can you use the historical names instead of type 1, 2, 3. It is terribly confusing when you give an entirely different type. heck the only reason i looked at this in the first pace was i thought you where making an entirely new submarine to go in game IE a type III

Well, as far as i know (downloaded all from ftp archive but have not seen such) this would be the first mod to make more than 6 torpedo tubes to a sub. There were mods by Captain Von Keldunk, but they just replaced some flak guns in configs.
And sorry for confusing... i've used the internal config names for sub types... Thought that it would be ok on a modding part of the forum... Ok. Back to topic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertstriker

no it is in the files for the game first i am sure you need to model that room for the management screen (though it looks like you have one already) then you need to make a control zone and nodes for it. take a look at the type IX and VII files to see what is different.

So far i've edited:
1) the basic.cfg file (some other lines were changed to match those changes too):
[SUBMARINE3]
NbComp +1
...
Comp8=8; SternTorpedo
Nb8=2
Subs80=SternTorpedoTubes
SternTorpedoTubes=40; E_SternTorpedoTubes
Subs81=SternTorpedoTubes2
SternTorpedoTubes2=41; E_SternTorpedoTubes2
...
61=40
128=41
...
All types of subs, weapons, torpedos, equipment were set to appear in june 39 for testing purposes... Submarine XXI (internal type 3) armament ajusted.
2) data\Menu\cfg\game\damage_3.cfg
Stern Torpedo compartment added to all parts of the file using Electric Engine compartment with edited position and width settings...
3) data\Menu\Data\(Typ21_1.tga,Typ21_2.tga) &
data\Menu\Data\Damage\(Repar21.tga,Typ21.tga)
These 4 graphic files edited to match the mod.
4) data\Submarine\NSS_Uboat21
NSS_Uboat21.DAT - model changed to have stern torpedo tubes & nodes added for tube doors
NSS_Uboat21.zon - stern torpedo tubes nodes & a stern torpedo room entry to a list of compartments added

NSS_Uboat21.sim - 2 more tubes added to wpn_SubTorpedoSys node
5) I do know, that menu_1024_768.ini should be modified to introduce fire buttons for these 2 new torpedo tubes.

Result - as mentioned above i do have opening/closing tubes in game. Can't fire from them, even with Enter key (CTD). Can't manage crew in stern torp room, as there is none on crew management screen. So - help needed.

Consigliere · 06-17-13, 08:01 AM

Ok, captains... I've managed to almost do it... I'm in research progress now, so will show just a quick preview... those of you familiar with the game will definetely see the diference (in the stern torpedo room):
- original (stock) VII:

- modified VII:

- and this one require modification of menu.ini file (10 pettyofficers in the electric engine compartment):

06-18-13, 01:49 AM

I'm particularly interested in how you solve this. I've been attempting to create new sub types and want to find the correlation between the crew management screen and the Basic.cfg file. Have you found that correlation?

Of course these new sub types would be to replace an existing one.

Essentially, assuming we edit menu_1024....cfg file to remove the graphics too, how do we tell the engine that a certain gun does not exist? Editing just Basic.cfg does not seem to do the trick. I often get errors like, deck gun destroyed right when I launch a mission after I make my edits.

Also, yes as suggested please say Type 21. Modders know that the 21 is number 3 in game files.

Consigliere · 06-19-13, 01:24 AM

Ok, captains will try to describe my findings at this post.

1) Each sub type has 3 crew config files.
Each of them (does not matter which sub type it is) has the same layout. Here it is:
================================================== =============
CREW_№ | COMPARTMENT | TYPE_II |TYPE_VII | TYPE_IX |TYPE_XXI
---------------------------------------------------------------
[0] | Tower_Watch | Officer | Officer | Officer | Officer
[1] | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN
[2] | Command_Room |OfficerCE|OfficerCE|OfficerCE|OfficerCE
[3] | Command_Room |OfficerNA|OfficerNA|OfficerNA|OfficerNA
[4] | Command_Room |OfficerWO|OfficerWO|OfficerWO|OfficerWO
[5] | DieselEngine | Officer | Officer | Officer | Officer
[6] |ElectricEngine| Officer | Officer | Officer | Officer
[7] | Bow_Torpedo | Officer | Officer | Officer | Officer
[8] | Bow_Quarters | Officer | Officer | Officer | Officer
[9] |Stern_Quarters| Officer | Officer | Officer | Officer
[10] | SternTorpedo | Officer | Officer | Officer | Officer
[11] |Damage_Control| Officer | Officer | Officer | Officer
[12] | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN
---------------------------------------------------------------
[13] | Tower_Watch | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1
[14] | Tower_Watch | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2
[15] | Tower_Watch | Nmb_3 | Nmb_3 | Nmb_3 | Nmb_3
[16] | Tower_Watch | Nmb_4 | Nmb_4 | Nmb_4 | Nmb_4
---------------------------------------------------------------
[17] | Deck_Gun | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1
[18] | Deck_Gun | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2
[19] | Deck_Gun | Nmb_3 | Nmb_3 | Nmb_3 | Nmb_3
---------------------------------------------------------------
[20] | Flak_Gun_A01 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1
[21] | Flak_Gun_A02 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1
[22] | Flak_Gun_S01 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1
[23] | Flak_Gun_S01 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2
[24] | Flak_Gun_S02 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1
[25] | Flak_Gun_S02 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2
[26] | Flak_Gun_S03 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1
[27] | Flak_Gun_S03 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2
---------------------------------------------------------------
[28] | RadioStation |Sonarman |Sonarman |Sonarman |Sonarman
[29] | RadioStation |Radioman |Radioman |Radioman |Radioman
---------------------------------------------------------------
[30] | Command_Room |Boatswain|Boatswain|Boatswain|Boatswain
[31] | Command_Room | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2
[32] | Command_Room | Nmb_3 | Nmb_3 | Nmb_3 | Nmb_3
---------------------------------------------------------------
[33] | DieselEngine | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1
[34] | DieselEngine | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2
[35] | DieselEngine | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3
[36] | DieselEngine | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_1/4
[37] | DieselEngine | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/1
[38] | DieselEngine | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/2
[39] | DieselEngine | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/3
[40] | DieselEngine | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/5 | Nmb_2/5 | Nmb_2/4
[41] | DieselEngine | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/5
[42] | DieselEngine | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/6
---------------------------------------------------------------
[43] |ElectricEngine| Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1
[44] |ElectricEngine| Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2
[45] |ElectricEngine| Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3
[46] |ElectricEngine| Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_1/4
[47] |ElectricEngine| Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/1
[48] |ElectricEngine| Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/2
[49] |ElectricEngine| UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/3
[50] |ElectricEngine| UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/5 | Nmb_2/5 | Nmb_2/4
[51] |ElectricEngine| UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/5
[52] |ElectricEngine| UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/6
---------------------------------------------------------------
[53] | Bow_Torpedo | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1
[54] | Bow_Torpedo | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2
[55] | Bow_Torpedo | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3
[56] | Bow_Torpedo | Nmb_1/4 | Nmb_1/4 | Nmb_1/4 | Nmb_1/4
[57] | Bow_Torpedo | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_2/1
[58] | Bow_Torpedo | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/2
[59] | Bow_Torpedo | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/3
[60] | Bow_Torpedo | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/4
[61] | Bow_Torpedo | Nmb_2/5 | Nmb_2/5 | Nmb_2/5 | Nmb_2/5
[62] | Bow_Torpedo | Nmb_2/6 | Nmb_2/6 | Nmb_2/6 | Nmb_2/6
[63] | Bow_Torpedo | UNKNOWN | Nmb_3/1 | Nmb_3/1 | Nmb_3/1
[64] | Bow_Torpedo | UNKNOWN | Nmb_3/2 | Nmb_3/2 | Nmb_3/2
[65] | Bow_Torpedo | UNKNOWN | Nmb_3/3 | Nmb_3/3 | UNKNOWN
[66] | Bow_Torpedo | UNKNOWN | Nmb_3/4 | Nmb_3/4 | UNKNOWN
---------------------------------------------------------------
[67] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1
[68] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2
[69] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3
[70] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_1/4 | Nmb_1/4 | Nmb_1/4 | Nmb_1/4
[71] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_1/5 | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_2/1
[72] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_1/6 | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/2
[73] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/3
[74] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/4
[75] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/5 | Nmb_2/5 | Nmb_2/5
[76] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/6 | Nmb_2/6 | Nmb_2/6
[77] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_2/5 | Nmb_3/1 | Nmb_3/1 | Nmb_3/1
[78] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_2/6 | Nmb_3/2 | Nmb_3/2 | Nmb_3/2
[79] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_2/7 | Nmb_3/3 | Nmb_3/3 | Nmb_3/3
[80] | Bow_Quarters | Nmb_2/8 | Nmb_3/4 | Nmb_3/4 | Nmb_3/4
[81] | Bow_Quarters | UNKNOWN | Nmb_3/5 | Nmb_3/5 | Nmb_3/5
[82] | Bow_Quarters | UNKNOWN | Nmb_3/6 | Nmb_3/6 | Nmb_3/6
---------------------------------------------------------------
[83] |Stern_Quarters| Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1
[84] |Stern_Quarters| Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2
[85] |Stern_Quarters| Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3
[86] |Stern_Quarters| Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_1/4 | Nmb_1/4
[87] |Stern_Quarters| Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_1/5 | Nmb_1/5
[88] |Stern_Quarters| Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_1/6
[89] |Stern_Quarters| UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_1/7
[90] |Stern_Quarters| UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/5 | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/1
[91] |Stern_Quarters| UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/4 | Nmb_2/2
[92] |Stern_Quarters| UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/5 | Nmb_2/3
[93] |Stern_Quarters| UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/6 | Nmb_2/4
[94] |Stern_Quarters| UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/7 | Nmb_2/5
[95] |Stern_Quarters| UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/6
[96] |Stern_Quarters| UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/7
[97] |Stern_Quarters| UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/8
[98] |Stern_Quarters| UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/9
---------------------------------------------------------------
[99] | SternTorpedo | UNKNOWN | Nmb_1/1 | Nmb_1/1 | UNKNOWN
[100] | SternTorpedo | UNKNOWN | Nmb_1/2 | Nmb_1/2 | UNKNOWN
[101] | SternTorpedo | UNKNOWN | Nmb_1/3 | Nmb_1/3 | UNKNOWN
[102] | SternTorpedo | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/1 | Nmb_2/1 | UNKNOWN
[103] | SternTorpedo | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/2 | Nmb_2/2 | UNKNOWN
[104] | SternTorpedo | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/3 | Nmb_2/3 | UNKNOWN
[105] | SternTorpedo | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/4 | UNKNOWN
[106] | SternTorpedo | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_2/5 | UNKNOWN
---------------------------------------------------------------
[107] |Damage_Control| Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1 | Nmb_1
[108] |Damage_Control| Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2 | Nmb_2
[109] |Damage_Control| Nmb_3 | Nmb_3 | Nmb_3 | Nmb_3
[110] |Damage_Control| Nmb_4 | Nmb_4 | Nmb_4 | Nmb_4
[111] |Damage_Control| Nmb_5 | Nmb_5 | Nmb_5 | Nmb_5
[112] |Damage_Control| Nmb_6 | Nmb_6 | Nmb_6 | Nmb_6
[113] |Damage_Control| Nmb_7 | Nmb_7 | Nmb_7 | Nmb_7
[114] |Damage_Control| Nmb_8 | Nmb_8 | Nmb_8 | Nmb_8
[115] |Damage_Control| UNKNOWN | Nmb_9 | Nmb_9 | Nmb_9
[116] |Damage_Control| UNKNOWN | Nmb_10 | Nmb_10 | Nmb_10
[117] |Damage_Control| UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_11
[118] |Damage_Control| UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Nmb_12
---------------------------------------------------------------
[119] | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN
[120] | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN
---------------------------------------------------------------
LEGEND:
a) "Nmb_3/4" means a 3rd seaman from top (so "3" is a row) and 4th from left (so "4" is a column). If there is just one number (like "Nmb_6") that means it is a column, so it will be 6th seamen from left;
b) "UNKNOWN" means that seaman does not exist on that sub type or does not exist at all (2,12,119,120);

c) i really do think that there must be a sticky thread with game's documentation only.
================================================== =============

2) This layout gives us the following numbers of maximum crewmen by compartment:
==================================================
ROOM_№| COMPARTMENT |OFFICERS|SEAMEN| NOTES
--------------------------------------------------
0 | Tower_Watch | 1 | 4 | all
1 | RadioStation | no | 2 | all
2 | Command_Room | 3 | 3 | all
3 | DieselEngine | 1 | 10 | XXI
4 |ElectricEngine| 1 | 10 | XXI
5 | Bow_Torpedo | 1 | 14 | VII,IX
6 | Bow_Quarters | 1 | 16 | VII,IX,XXI
7 |Stern_Quarters| 1 | 16 | XXI
8 | SternTorpedo | 1 | 8 | IX
9 | Deck_Gun | no | 3 | VII,IX
10 | Flak_Gun | no | 8 | see below
11 |Damage_Control| 1 | 12 | XXI
--------------------------------------------------

Right now i do think that 8 flak gunners config is not possible in game. Though, it is possible to change the crew layout in such a way, it is impossible to make a sub with 5 working flak guns (due to lack of controller types). At least manual controlled ones...
==================================================

3) ONLY FOR EXPERIENCED MODDERS!

The actual crew numbers are hardcoded. I've found adresses. It's really easy. Download Artmoney or any free hex editor.
BACKUP YOUR GAME'S .EXE FILE! DO NOT SAY AFTER THAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN WARNED!
With Artmoney select file as a search object. Browse to game's .exe. Search for exact value of 65392 (2 bytes integer normal order). There should be 52 results. Choose the last one (0x141C70) and right mouse click it. Open File Editor. The crew values are just some lines above.
With any other hex editor just search for adress 0x141AD8. It should be 01h. And that is a type II tower watch officer.

4) ATTENTION! MAKING THOSE CHANGES IS LIMITED BY GAME'S MENU.INI FILE (ITS BARRACKS PAGE).
The only two possible changes without modifying menu.ini - is to make 8 seamen in type VII's stern torpedo room and 14 seamen in type XXI bow torpedo room. If you try something else you will see, that the game engine interprets the "positions" on a barracks page in game as a row and adds "new" patched crew members after the last initially (stock) allowed member (see the last screenshot of my previous post here to understand. That one, with 10 pettyofficers in type VII's electric engine room).

5) But! Looking on the game's .exe through IDA Pro (hi, to h.Sie, Stiebler, Reaper7 and others hardcode modders) i can say it is rather easy to make something like this

(well... right now it is a Photoshop)... There are two functions in the .exe which modify the menu.ini designed positions of compartments with some offsets... So, if it would be possible to patch those offsets - it would be possible to enable stern torpedo room for types II and XXI. I mean that it is there already... just out of the screen.

6) As for the deck and flak guns it is more easy. It is just needed to make appropriate changes to config files (so to add nodes, settings and so on) and to patch crew layout as described in unit 3 above.

Ok, that's all for now. Starting to dig the barracks page of the menu.ini... To be continued.

Consigliere · 06-19-13, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by machiavelli

I'm particularly interested in how you solve this. I've been attempting to create new sub types and want to find the correlation between the crew management screen and the Basic.cfg file. Have you found that correlation?

Well, as far as i know there is no such correlation at all. With exept of deck and flak gun crew members of course.
Number of crew members per comartment is predetermined and cannot be changed at all. Number of crew members in a compartment of a sub of a given type is hardcoded and can be changed within limits by patching game's .exe file (look at my post above this one).
Compartments layout on a barracks/crew management screen is determined by menu.ini file with some hardcoded changes to possitions (offsets). I'm now to try to patch them...

Quote:

Originally Posted by machiavelli

Essentially, assuming we edit menu_1024....cfg file to remove the graphics too, how do we tell the engine that a certain gun does not exist? Editing just Basic.cfg does not seem to do the trick. I often get errors like, deck gun destroyed right when I launch a mission after I make my edits.

Well... a gun can be deleted just by typing -1 in basic.cfg file under M01, A01, A02, S01, etc. Than, there is a cfg file in each sub's folder and sub and turm models in dat files with appropriate nodes of gun placements...

06-19-13, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Consigliere

Well, as far as i know there is no such correlation at all. With exept of deck and flak gun crew members of course.
Number of crew members per comartment is predetermined and cannot be changed at all. Number of crew members in a compartment of a sub of a given type is hardcoded and can be changed within limits by patching game's .exe file (look at my post above this one).
Compartments layout on a barracks/crew management screen is determined by menu.ini file with some hardcoded changes to possitions (offsets). I'm now to try to patch them...

Well... a gun can be deleted just by typing -1 in basic.cfg file under M01, A01, A02, S01, etc. Than, there is a cfg file in each sub's folder and sub and turm models in dat files with appropriate nodes of gun placements...

I guess that is what I was missing, the -1. I'll give it a try. Does it remove the graphics for the deck gun on the sub too?

desertstriker · 06-19-13, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Consigliere

Well, as far as i know there is no such

Well... a gun can be deleted just by typing -1 in basic.cfg file under M01, A01, A02, S01, etc. Than, there is a cfg file in each sub's folder and sub and turm models in dat files with appropriate nodes of gun placements...

deck guns can also be removed in SH3 Commander by clicking on your Uboat type in the uboat part of the career selection screen and hitting the remove option. does not option flak guns though.

06-19-13, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertstriker

deck guns can also be removed in SH3 Commander by clicking on your Uboat type in the uboat part of the career selection screen and hitting the remove option. does not option flak guns though.

Yes, but adding a new sub type, which is my intention, and using SH3 Commander creates a whole nother set of things I will have to change in Commanders config files. I would have to tell Commander that the sub is a different type.

desertstriker · 06-19-13, 02:12 PM

which should be easy enough off of the top of my head you have to add availability dates with a new submarine in the sub folder make a crew config and add Uboat numbers.

06-19-13, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertstriker

which should be easy enough off of the top of my head you have to add availability dates with a new submarine in the sub folder make a crew config and add Uboat numbers.

Right. It's easy, but my focus first is getting vanilla to show up nicely. I'll get working on it after my update to SH3DC.

evan82 · 07-05-13, 02:17 PM

The problem is, if in SH3 hardcode is only six possible operative torp. tubes, or more?

Look, in IX You have 4 forward, and 2 stern. BTW; Nice idea with aft tubes for XXI, and I love this sub.

06-12-13, 04:31 AM	#1
Consigliere Watch Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Moscow, USSR Posts: 28 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 0	type 3 sub mod Greetings, captains. I have a question, which i already asked before... but now it is more serious. I want to mod type 3 sub (XXI in game) to have stern torpedo tubes. Right now i do have a sub model with 2 stern tubes (will be 4 in the release version, so 10 tubes total) and a working config (exept menu buttons to control them, but i can open/close them by Y->Q/W). The only thing left is to introduce a stern torpedo room to the sub, but i do not know how to do it... I've modified basic.cfg and Uboat.zon. But nothing. Have not yet modified files in Menu\cfg\game, but i really doubt that they control this... And still have to modify the menu.ini... So, for now i do have two questions: 1) have somebody tried to do it before (i mean stern torp room on type 0 or 3 sub)? 2) have somebody (OLC, Makman), who have modified the menu, found something in menu.ini, that controls an appearance of stern torpedo room depending on a sub type? p.s. and one more: 3) there are menu pages corresponding to sub types (for type 3 it is 0F)... they points to .ini file (menu_UBoats.ini), which is missing in stock game... have somebody tried to introduce it?

06-17-13, 08:01 AM	#6
Consigliere Watch Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Moscow, USSR Posts: 28 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 0	Ok, captains... I've managed to almost do it... I'm in research progress now, so will show just a quick preview... those of you familiar with the game will definetely see the diference (in the stern torpedo room): - original (stock) VII: - modified VII: - and this one require modification of menu.ini file (10 pettyofficers in the electric engine compartment): __________________ Yoda's modding rules: - You must unlearn what you have learned. - Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. - Size matters not. Last edited by Consigliere; 06-17-13 at 08:31 AM.

06-19-13, 01:24 AM	#8
Consigliere Watch Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Moscow, USSR Posts: 28 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 0	Ok, captains will try to describe my findings at this post. 1) Each sub type has 3 crew config files. Each of them (does not matter which sub type it is) has the same layout. Here it is: ================================================== ============= CREW_№ \| COMPARTMENT \| TYPE_II \|TYPE_VII \| TYPE_IX \|TYPE_XXI --------------------------------------------------------------- [0] \| Tower_Watch \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer [1] \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN [2] \| Command_Room \|OfficerCE\|OfficerCE\|OfficerCE\|OfficerCE [3] \| Command_Room \|OfficerNA\|OfficerNA\|OfficerNA\|OfficerNA [4] \| Command_Room \|OfficerWO\|OfficerWO\|OfficerWO\|OfficerWO [5] \| DieselEngine \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer [6] \|ElectricEngine\| Officer \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer [7] \| Bow_Torpedo \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer [8] \| Bow_Quarters \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer [9] \|Stern_Quarters\| Officer \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer [10] \| SternTorpedo \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer [11] \|Damage_Control\| Officer \| Officer \| Officer \| Officer [12] \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN --------------------------------------------------------------- [13] \| Tower_Watch \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 [14] \| Tower_Watch \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 [15] \| Tower_Watch \| Nmb_3 \| Nmb_3 \| Nmb_3 \| Nmb_3 [16] \| Tower_Watch \| Nmb_4 \| Nmb_4 \| Nmb_4 \| Nmb_4 --------------------------------------------------------------- [17] \| Deck_Gun \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 [18] \| Deck_Gun \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 [19] \| Deck_Gun \| Nmb_3 \| Nmb_3 \| Nmb_3 \| Nmb_3 --------------------------------------------------------------- [20] \| Flak_Gun_A01 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 [21] \| Flak_Gun_A02 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 [22] \| Flak_Gun_S01 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 [23] \| Flak_Gun_S01 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 [24] \| Flak_Gun_S02 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 [25] \| Flak_Gun_S02 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 [26] \| Flak_Gun_S03 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 [27] \| Flak_Gun_S03 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 --------------------------------------------------------------- [28] \| RadioStation \|Sonarman \|Sonarman \|Sonarman \|Sonarman [29] \| RadioStation \|Radioman \|Radioman \|Radioman \|Radioman --------------------------------------------------------------- [30] \| Command_Room \|Boatswain\|Boatswain\|Boatswain\|Boatswain [31] \| Command_Room \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 [32] \| Command_Room \| Nmb_3 \| Nmb_3 \| Nmb_3 \| Nmb_3 --------------------------------------------------------------- [33] \| DieselEngine \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 [34] \| DieselEngine \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 [35] \| DieselEngine \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 [36] \| DieselEngine \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_1/4 [37] \| DieselEngine \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/1 [38] \| DieselEngine \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/2 [39] \| DieselEngine \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/3 [40] \| DieselEngine \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/5 \| Nmb_2/5 \| Nmb_2/4 [41] \| DieselEngine \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/5 [42] \| DieselEngine \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/6 --------------------------------------------------------------- [43] \|ElectricEngine\| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 [44] \|ElectricEngine\| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 [45] \|ElectricEngine\| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 [46] \|ElectricEngine\| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_1/4 [47] \|ElectricEngine\| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/1 [48] \|ElectricEngine\| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/2 [49] \|ElectricEngine\| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/3 [50] \|ElectricEngine\| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/5 \| Nmb_2/5 \| Nmb_2/4 [51] \|ElectricEngine\| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/5 [52] \|ElectricEngine\| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/6 --------------------------------------------------------------- [53] \| Bow_Torpedo \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 [54] \| Bow_Torpedo \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 [55] \| Bow_Torpedo \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 [56] \| Bow_Torpedo \| Nmb_1/4 \| Nmb_1/4 \| Nmb_1/4 \| Nmb_1/4 [57] \| Bow_Torpedo \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_2/1 [58] \| Bow_Torpedo \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/2 [59] \| Bow_Torpedo \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/3 [60] \| Bow_Torpedo \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/4 [61] \| Bow_Torpedo \| Nmb_2/5 \| Nmb_2/5 \| Nmb_2/5 \| Nmb_2/5 [62] \| Bow_Torpedo \| Nmb_2/6 \| Nmb_2/6 \| Nmb_2/6 \| Nmb_2/6 [63] \| Bow_Torpedo \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_3/1 \| Nmb_3/1 \| Nmb_3/1 [64] \| Bow_Torpedo \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_3/2 \| Nmb_3/2 \| Nmb_3/2 [65] \| Bow_Torpedo \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_3/3 \| Nmb_3/3 \| UNKNOWN [66] \| Bow_Torpedo \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_3/4 \| Nmb_3/4 \| UNKNOWN --------------------------------------------------------------- [67] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 [68] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 [69] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 [70] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_1/4 \| Nmb_1/4 \| Nmb_1/4 \| Nmb_1/4 [71] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_1/5 \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_2/1 [72] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_1/6 \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/2 [73] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/3 [74] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/4 [75] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/5 \| Nmb_2/5 \| Nmb_2/5 [76] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/6 \| Nmb_2/6 \| Nmb_2/6 [77] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_2/5 \| Nmb_3/1 \| Nmb_3/1 \| Nmb_3/1 [78] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_2/6 \| Nmb_3/2 \| Nmb_3/2 \| Nmb_3/2 [79] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_2/7 \| Nmb_3/3 \| Nmb_3/3 \| Nmb_3/3 [80] \| Bow_Quarters \| Nmb_2/8 \| Nmb_3/4 \| Nmb_3/4 \| Nmb_3/4 [81] \| Bow_Quarters \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_3/5 \| Nmb_3/5 \| Nmb_3/5 [82] \| Bow_Quarters \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_3/6 \| Nmb_3/6 \| Nmb_3/6 --------------------------------------------------------------- [83] \|Stern_Quarters\| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 [84] \|Stern_Quarters\| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 [85] \|Stern_Quarters\| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 [86] \|Stern_Quarters\| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_1/4 \| Nmb_1/4 [87] \|Stern_Quarters\| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_1/5 \| Nmb_1/5 [88] \|Stern_Quarters\| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_1/6 [89] \|Stern_Quarters\| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_1/7 [90] \|Stern_Quarters\| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/5 \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/1 [91] \|Stern_Quarters\| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/4 \| Nmb_2/2 [92] \|Stern_Quarters\| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/5 \| Nmb_2/3 [93] \|Stern_Quarters\| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/6 \| Nmb_2/4 [94] \|Stern_Quarters\| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/7 \| Nmb_2/5 [95] \|Stern_Quarters\| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/6 [96] \|Stern_Quarters\| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/7 [97] \|Stern_Quarters\| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/8 [98] \|Stern_Quarters\| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/9 --------------------------------------------------------------- [99] \| SternTorpedo \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_1/1 \| Nmb_1/1 \| UNKNOWN [100] \| SternTorpedo \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_1/2 \| Nmb_1/2 \| UNKNOWN [101] \| SternTorpedo \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_1/3 \| Nmb_1/3 \| UNKNOWN [102] \| SternTorpedo \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/1 \| Nmb_2/1 \| UNKNOWN [103] \| SternTorpedo \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/2 \| Nmb_2/2 \| UNKNOWN [104] \| SternTorpedo \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/3 \| Nmb_2/3 \| UNKNOWN [105] \| SternTorpedo \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/4 \| UNKNOWN [106] \| SternTorpedo \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_2/5 \| UNKNOWN --------------------------------------------------------------- [107] \|Damage_Control\| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 \| Nmb_1 [108] \|Damage_Control\| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 \| Nmb_2 [109] \|Damage_Control\| Nmb_3 \| Nmb_3 \| Nmb_3 \| Nmb_3 [110] \|Damage_Control\| Nmb_4 \| Nmb_4 \| Nmb_4 \| Nmb_4 [111] \|Damage_Control\| Nmb_5 \| Nmb_5 \| Nmb_5 \| Nmb_5 [112] \|Damage_Control\| Nmb_6 \| Nmb_6 \| Nmb_6 \| Nmb_6 [113] \|Damage_Control\| Nmb_7 \| Nmb_7 \| Nmb_7 \| Nmb_7 [114] \|Damage_Control\| Nmb_8 \| Nmb_8 \| Nmb_8 \| Nmb_8 [115] \|Damage_Control\| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_9 \| Nmb_9 \| Nmb_9 [116] \|Damage_Control\| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_10 \| Nmb_10 \| Nmb_10 [117] \|Damage_Control\| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_11 [118] \|Damage_Control\| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| Nmb_12 --------------------------------------------------------------- [119] \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN [120] \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN \| UNKNOWN --------------------------------------------------------------- LEGEND: a) "Nmb_3/4" means a 3rd seaman from top (so "3" is a row) and 4th from left (so "4" is a column). If there is just one number (like "Nmb_6") that means it is a column, so it will be 6th seamen from left; b) "UNKNOWN" means that seaman does not exist on that sub type or does not exist at all (2,12,119,120); c) i really do think that there must be a sticky thread with game's documentation only. ================================================== ============= 2) This layout gives us the following numbers of maximum crewmen by compartment: ================================================== ROOM_№\| COMPARTMENT \|OFFICERS\|SEAMEN\| NOTES -------------------------------------------------- 0 \| Tower_Watch \| 1 \| 4 \| all 1 \| RadioStation \| no \| 2 \| all 2 \| Command_Room \| 3 \| 3 \| all 3 \| DieselEngine \| 1 \| 10 \| XXI 4 \|ElectricEngine\| 1 \| 10 \| XXI 5 \| Bow_Torpedo \| 1 \| 14 \| VII,IX 6 \| Bow_Quarters \| 1 \| 16 \| VII,IX,XXI 7 \|Stern_Quarters\| 1 \| 16 \| XXI 8 \| SternTorpedo \| 1 \| 8 \| IX 9 \| Deck_Gun \| no \| 3 \| VII,IX 10 \| Flak_Gun \| no \| 8 \| see below 11 \|Damage_Control\| 1 \| 12 \| XXI -------------------------------------------------- Right now i do think that 8 flak gunners config is not possible in game. Though, it is possible to change the crew layout in such a way, it is impossible to make a sub with 5 working flak guns (due to lack of controller types). At least manual controlled ones... ================================================== 3) ONLY FOR EXPERIENCED MODDERS! The actual crew numbers are hardcoded. I've found adresses. It's really easy. Download Artmoney or any free hex editor. BACKUP YOUR GAME'S .EXE FILE! DO NOT SAY AFTER THAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN WARNED! With Artmoney select file as a search object. Browse to game's .exe. Search for exact value of 65392 (2 bytes integer normal order). There should be 52 results. Choose the last one (0x141C70) and right mouse click it. Open File Editor. The crew values are just some lines above. With any other hex editor just search for adress 0x141AD8. It should be 01h. And that is a type II tower watch officer. 4) ATTENTION! MAKING THOSE CHANGES IS LIMITED BY GAME'S MENU.INI FILE (ITS BARRACKS PAGE). The only two possible changes without modifying menu.ini - is to make 8 seamen in type VII's stern torpedo room and 14 seamen in type XXI bow torpedo room. If you try something else you will see, that the game engine interprets the "positions" on a barracks page in game as a row and adds "new" patched crew members after the last initially (stock) allowed member (see the last screenshot of my previous post here to understand. That one, with 10 pettyofficers in type VII's electric engine room). 5) But! Looking on the game's .exe through IDA Pro (hi, to h.Sie, Stiebler, Reaper7 and others hardcode modders) i can say it is rather easy to make something like this (well... right now it is a Photoshop)... There are two functions in the .exe which modify the menu.ini designed positions of compartments with some offsets... So, if it would be possible to patch those offsets - it would be possible to enable stern torpedo room for types II and XXI. I mean that it is there already... just out of the screen. 6) As for the deck and flak guns it is more easy. It is just needed to make appropriate changes to config files (so to add nodes, settings and so on) and to patch crew layout as described in unit 3 above. Ok, that's all for now. Starting to dig the barracks page of the menu.ini... To be continued. __________________ Yoda's modding rules: - You must unlearn what you have learned. - Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. - Size matters not. Last edited by Consigliere; 06-19-13 at 02:20 AM.

07-05-13, 02:17 PM	#15
evan82 Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 555 Downloads: 197 Uploads: 12	The problem is, if in SH3 hardcode is only six possible operative torp. tubes, or more? Look, in IX You have 4 forward, and 2 stern. BTW; Nice idea with aft tubes for XXI, and I love this sub. __________________ MY MODS - evan82's XXI Water StreamVIIB War Skin IIevan82's XXI Skin...

06-12-13, 05:52 AM	#2
desertstriker Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2012 Location: mod soup bar and grill Posts: 1,756 Downloads: 998 Uploads: 0	probably need to model it

06-12-13, 03:07 PM	#4
desertstriker Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2012 Location: mod soup bar and grill Posts: 1,756 Downloads: 998 Uploads: 0	no it is in the files for the game first i am sure you need to model that room for the management screen (though it looks like you have one already) then you need to make a control zone and nodes for it. take a look at the type IX and VII files to see what is different. Also can you use the historical names instead of type 1, 2, 3. It is terribly confusing when you give an entirely different type. heck the only reason i looked at this in the first pace was i thought you where making an entirely new submarine to go in game IE a type III

06-18-13, 01:49 AM	#7
machiavelli Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I'm particularly interested in how you solve this. I've been attempting to create new sub types and want to find the correlation between the crew management screen and the Basic.cfg file. Have you found that correlation? Of course these new sub types would be to replace an existing one. Essentially, assuming we edit menu_1024....cfg file to remove the graphics too, how do we tell the engine that a certain gun does not exist? Editing just Basic.cfg does not seem to do the trick. I often get errors like, deck gun destroyed right when I launch a mission after I make my edits. Also, yes as suggested please say Type 21. Modders know that the 21 is number 3 in game files.

06-19-13, 02:12 PM	#13
desertstriker Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2012 Location: mod soup bar and grill Posts: 1,756 Downloads: 998 Uploads: 0	which should be easy enough off of the top of my head you have to add availability dates with a new submarine in the sub folder make a crew config and add Uboat numbers.