ASDIC and me

bstanko6 · 03-23-15, 02:50 AM

So it's june of 40 and i intercept this convoy heading for bristol. I attack and make good, but of course i am pinged and hunted. now pretty much everywhere south of Ireland and east to Bristol, is about 70 - 80 meters deep, i am on the floor and dodging charges left and right, i even evade a few mines i never knew were there! These escorts hunt me for four hours even after all the fireworks are gone. I am rigged silent, and stay to the floor. It is only when I get to a small pocket that is deeper than 100m that i get away from these guys. I mean, 100m is that the secret to losing escorts? Is there any other way? It really stinks having to travel at 2 knots at 8 TC for over 4 hours of game time.

banryu79 · 03-23-15, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bstanko6

So it's june of 40 and i intercept this convoy heading for bristol. I attack and make good, but of course i am pinged and hunted. now pretty much everywhere south of Ireland and east to Bristol, is about 70 - 80 meters deep, i am on the floor and dodging charges left and right, i even evade a few mines i never knew were there! These escorts hunt me for four hours even after all the fireworks are gone. I am rigged silent, and stay to the floor. It is only when I get to a small pocket that is deeper than 100m that i get away from these guys. I mean, 100m is that the secret to losing escorts? Is there any other way? It really stinks having to travel at 2 knots at 8 TC for over 4 hours of game time.

Such is the life of a Uboot Kaleun...

RConch · 03-23-15, 06:16 AM

You got off lucky that time.

Zosimus · 03-23-15, 06:44 AM

Hunt in deeper water. I won't touch anything under 300 m depth.

BigWalleye · 03-23-15, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bstanko6

So it's june of 40 and i intercept this convoy heading for bristol. I attack and make good, but of course i am pinged and hunted. now pretty much everywhere south of Ireland and east to Bristol, is about 70 - 80 meters deep, i am on the floor and dodging charges left and right, i even evade a few mines i never knew were there! These escorts hunt me for four hours even after all the fireworks are gone. I am rigged silent, and stay to the floor. It is only when I get to a small pocket that is deeper than 100m that i get away from these guys. I mean, 100m is that the secret to losing escorts? Is there any other way? It really stinks having to travel at 2 knots at 8 TC for over 4 hours of game time.

Install V16B1_Stiebler4C.

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“Shallow-water Asdic” mod

It was always much harder to detect U-boats with asdic in shallow waters than in deep water, due to

tides, wrecks, rocks and similar. From October 1944 - May 1945, U-boats with schnorchels patrolled

very close to land around the British Isles, the so-called ‘Inshore Campaign’, relying for their

protection on the poor detection ability of Asdic in shallow waters, with their fast tides, large rocks

and ancient wrecks.

SH3 does not model the failure of Asdic in shallow water at all. This mod changes asdic capability

according to the depth of the sea. Specifically, the ‘minimum surfaces’ (MinSurface, MS) of asdics

(original values found in file ‘AI_Sensors.dat’) are now changed according to sea-depth in four bands....

That should improve your chances of evasion when in shallow water in the future. And it's based on historical performance.

ExFishermanBob · 03-23-15, 10:22 AM

Argh! I MUST remember to re-read manuals and readme files occasionally - I have that patch but have always avoided shallow waters.

Aktungbby · 03-23-15, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bstanko6

So it's june of 40 and i intercept this convoy heading for bristol. I attack and make good, but of course i am pinged and hunted. now pretty much everywhere south of Ireland and east to Bristol, is about 70 - 80 meters deep, i am on the floor and dodging charges left and right, i even evade a few mines i never knew were there! These escorts hunt me for four hours even after all the fireworks are gone. I am rigged silent, and stay to the floor. It is only when I get to a small pocket that is deeper than 100m that i get away from these guys. I mean, 100m is that the secret to losing escorts? Is there any other way? It really stinks having to travel at 2 knots at 8 TC for over 4 hours of game time.

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Originally Posted by Rconch

You got off lucky that time.

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Originally Posted by Zosimus

Hunt in deeper water. I won't touch anything under 300 m depth.

^Sound wisdom! By 1943; in such shallow seas? you'll be dead for sure.

But don't fret; The Old Lion, ADM Donitz has already placed your posthumous promotion

to KorvettanKapitän in your file (a common practice) and the Fatherland thanks you in advance for your devoted service.

All of which put's me in the way of a mod idea.

The nature of a crash dive was a very dicey affair as Goebbler's book on the U-505 reveals. He was the crewman dive guy assigned to valve control in the 'Zentralle'. One screw-up by a crewman, in haste, could be fatal as the dive would be unrecoverable. Can and should there not be a random oops mod...it had to have happened...more than once. We'll call it the 'watery borne mod'

BigWalleye · 03-23-15, 11:09 AM

Obviously, Dönitz and Company didn't know what they were doing when they launched the Inshore Campaign.

UKönig · 03-23-15, 11:27 AM

It was the best they could do under the time and circumstances...

BigWalleye · 03-23-15, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by UKönig

It was the best they could do under the time and circumstances...

If that were true, it would mean that patrolling indeep water was even more dangerous.

maillemaker · 03-23-15, 03:03 PM

While it sounds like there might be a mod to change things up a bit, you were very lucky to get out of that scrape with only 100 meters of water. But it was only 1940.

Later in the war I don't risk any engagement with a possibility of depth retaliation without 100% hull integrity and the ability to go to at least 200 meters.

Steve

bstanko6 · 03-23-15, 05:30 PM

Thanks for the replies gentlemen. I will stay deeper. I just know that staying near the ground in RL is never a bad idea and thought they modeled this in game.

sublynx · 03-23-15, 11:19 PM

If I make it to late 1944, I'm going to follow BdU's orders. From what I've understood about hedgehogs and late war escorts is that if they find me I'm going to get sunk no matter what the depth is. Shallow water dictates being very cautious and only shooting from very long range. They can't kill me if they can't find me.

BigWalleye · 03-24-15, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bstanko6

Thanks for the replies gentlemen. I will stay deeper. I just know that staying near the ground in RL is never a bad idea and thought they modeled this in game.

"They" do. But "they" are h.sie and Stiebler, not Ubisoft.

alpha_1 · 03-24-15, 05:21 PM

Hi guys;

Is this mod by Stiebler available stand alone or is it part of a larger mod? It sounds like a good one.

Cheers

03-23-15, 02:50 AM	#1
bstanko6 Admiral Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Murwik Naval Academy Posts: 2,123 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 13	ASDIC and me So it's june of 40 and i intercept this convoy heading for bristol. I attack and make good, but of course i am pinged and hunted. now pretty much everywhere south of Ireland and east to Bristol, is about 70 - 80 meters deep, i am on the floor and dodging charges left and right, i even evade a few mines i never knew were there! These escorts hunt me for four hours even after all the fireworks are gone. I am rigged silent, and stay to the floor. It is only when I get to a small pocket that is deeper than 100m that i get away from these guys. I mean, 100m is that the secret to losing escorts? Is there any other way? It really stinks having to travel at 2 knots at 8 TC for over 4 hours of game time.

03-23-15, 06:16 AM	#3
RConch Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: No. Virginia Posts: 618 Downloads: 503 Uploads: 0	You got off lucky that time. __________________ "Noch und Noch" Prowling the Nord Atlantik with GWX 3.0.

03-23-15, 11:27 AM	#9
UKönig Captain Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 495 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	It was the best they could do under the time and circumstances... __________________ Because I'm the captain, that's why!

03-23-15, 11:19 PM	#13
sublynx Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: In the conning tower of my VIIC scanning the sea through the periscope Posts: 1,698 Downloads: 173 Uploads: 7	If I make it to late 1944, I'm going to follow BdU's orders. From what I've understood about hedgehogs and late war escorts is that if they find me I'm going to get sunk no matter what the depth is. Shallow water dictates being very cautious and only shooting from very long range. They can't kill me if they can't find me. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] NYGM+H.sie v16+Stiebler 4C+MaGui WS

03-24-15, 05:21 PM	#15
alpha_1 Sailor man Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brantford, Ontario, Canada Posts: 47 Downloads: 229 Uploads: 0	Mod by Stiebler Hi guys; Is this mod by Stiebler available stand alone or is it part of a larger mod? It sounds like a good one. Cheers

03-23-15, 06:44 AM	#4
Zosimus XO Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Chorrillos, Lima, Peru Posts: 401 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Hunt in deeper water. I won't touch anything under 300 m depth.

03-23-15, 10:22 AM	#6
ExFishermanBob Difficulties Numbing Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: AN19 Posts: 470 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Argh! I MUST remember to re-read manuals and readme files occasionally - I have that patch but have always avoided shallow waters.

03-23-15, 11:09 AM	#8
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Obviously, Dönitz and Company didn't know what they were doing when they launched the Inshore Campaign.

03-23-15, 03:03 PM	#11
maillemaker Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,639 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	While it sounds like there might be a mod to change things up a bit, you were very lucky to get out of that scrape with only 100 meters of water. But it was only 1940. Later in the war I don't risk any engagement with a possibility of depth retaliation without 100% hull integrity and the ability to go to at least 200 meters. Steve

03-23-15, 05:30 PM	#12
bstanko6 Admiral Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Murwik Naval Academy Posts: 2,123 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 13	Thanks for the replies gentlemen. I will stay deeper. I just know that staying near the ground in RL is never a bad idea and thought they modeled this in game.