2 campaign questions!

ivank · 09-10-08, 06:07 PM

My team and I are making The Royal Navy and Kriegsmarine Mod, Im in charge of the campaign and I have 2 questions.

Can a playable ship refuel at a neutral naval base?

Did German warships dock in Penang enough to add it as a base?

Raptor1 · 09-10-08, 11:14 PM

Well, according to the 1907 Hague Convention, XIII, Article 18:

"Belligerent war-ships may not make use of neutral ports, roadsteads, or territorial waters for replenishing or increasing their supplies of war material or their armament, or for completing their crews."

So no refuelling and rearming in Neutral ports

As for Penang, I don't believe any other WWII German warship ever docked there (Except for submarines, that is), I could be wrong though

ivank · 09-11-08, 01:57 PM

but what about the Admiral Graf Spee? it didn't refuel in Montevideo?

Nisgeis · 09-11-08, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ivank

but what about the Admiral Graf Spee? it didn't refuel in Montevideo?

Not that I know of. As far as I recall, the Graf Spee's onboard refinery was damaged, or inoperative, so a refuel wasn't much use.

Raptor1 · 09-11-08, 02:11 PM

Not as far as I know, it just docked at Montevideo to effect repairs (Though the harbor could only assist with keeping the ship afloat, not repairing it's armament or armor) and then scuttled at the face of the imaginary British fleet waiting for it

EDIT: Ah, you beat me to it

Yes, the Graf Spee did have a problem with it's fuel seperating facilities due to one of Exeter's 8" shells, but it wouldn't have been allowed to refuel even if it wasn't damaged

Nisgeis · 09-11-08, 02:23 PM

Yeah, forgot to actually say that she wasn't allowed to re-fuel. Thanks for clarifying. The rules are quite strict, you can only dock for 24 hours, or you risk having the ship interned, unless you can argue that the ship isn't seaworthy enough to leave port, e.g. hole in the hull at or below waterline or rudder steering not working or whatever. The Graf Spee was kept in port by the British dispatching a ship from port every 24 hours and under international law, a hostile ship could not leave port until 24 hours afterwards. The ships leaving port effectively stopped the Graf Spee leaving.

Although not allowed, some countries would turn a blind eye to what they knew was going on, or it was succesfully concealed.

ivank · 09-11-08, 04:44 PM

okay so if in my mod a german warships was to enter a neutral port would they be attacked?

09-10-08, 06:07 PM	#1
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	2 campaign questions! My team and I are making The Royal Navy and Kriegsmarine Mod, Im in charge of the campaign and I have 2 questions. Can a playable ship refuel at a neutral naval base? Did German warships dock in Penang enough to add it as a base? __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1

09-10-08, 11:14 PM	#2
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Well, according to the 1907 Hague Convention, XIII, Article 18: "Belligerent war-ships may not make use of neutral ports, roadsteads, or territorial waters for replenishing or increasing their supplies of war material or their armament, or for completing their crews." So no refuelling and rearming in Neutral ports As for Penang, I don't believe any other WWII German warship ever docked there (Except for submarines, that is), I could be wrong though __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

09-11-08, 01:57 PM	#3
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	but what about the Admiral Graf Spee? it didn't refuel in Montevideo? __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1

09-11-08, 02:11 PM	#5
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Not as far as I know, it just docked at Montevideo to effect repairs (Though the harbor could only assist with keeping the ship afloat, not repairing it's armament or armor) and then scuttled at the face of the imaginary British fleet waiting for it EDIT: Ah, you beat me to it Yes, the Graf Spee did have a problem with it's fuel seperating facilities due to one of Exeter's 8" shells, but it wouldn't have been allowed to refuel even if it wasn't damaged __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

09-11-08, 02:23 PM	#6
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	Yeah, forgot to actually say that she wasn't allowed to re-fuel. Thanks for clarifying. The rules are quite strict, you can only dock for 24 hours, or you risk having the ship interned, unless you can argue that the ship isn't seaworthy enough to leave port, e.g. hole in the hull at or below waterline or rudder steering not working or whatever. The Graf Spee was kept in port by the British dispatching a ship from port every 24 hours and under international law, a hostile ship could not leave port until 24 hours afterwards. The ships leaving port effectively stopped the Graf Spee leaving. Although not allowed, some countries would turn a blind eye to what they knew was going on, or it was succesfully concealed. __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.

09-11-08, 04:44 PM	#7
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	okay so if in my mod a german warships was to enter a neutral port would they be attacked? __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1