HMS Marulken to become Subsim Project

NightFromTheWest12 · 06-23-16, 10:17 AM

First of all Congrats for your sponsors. I am glad to see that this game will make it to release. Now there is a request I have. Would you be able to allow the demo to stay up until release? I was planning to play it and make it a part of my YouTube Channel and help spread the word about it. That is all I wanted to know. Thanks and have a good one.

Aktungbby · 06-23-16, 10:19 AM

NightFromTheWest12!

Usurpator · 06-23-16, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NightFromTheWest12

First of all Congrats for your sponsors. I am glad to see that this game will make it to release. Now there is a request I have. Would you be able to allow the demo to stay up until release? I was planning to play it and make it a part of my YouTube Channel and help spread the word about it. That is all I wanted to know. Thanks and have a good one.

Hi!

The current demo will stay up until release

Usurpator · 06-23-16, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SFCspoonman

Wait, what? Where is this demo?

You can download it here: http://hmsmarulken.se/

Aktungbby · 06-23-16, 07:26 PM

SFCspoonman! After a nine year silent run!

Chromatix · 06-24-16, 01:04 AM

If you do manage to make it "open world" rather than "discrete mission" based, something fundamental will be the world model. Silent Hunter - all of them - use "plate carrée", which badly distorts both distance and direction anywhere but the Equator.

With modern computing power, it should easily be feasible to use a true spheroidal model, but that'll need to be designed in at an early stage. An obvious approach would be to use an Earth-centred physics model, in double-precision, and for rendering, merely translate all objects from that space to a single-precision graphics space centred on the camera. This of course means that ships in the vicinity of southern Australia really will be upside-down in physics space, but since the camera will be as well, it'll look right in the end.

A side benefit of a true spheroidal model is that draw distance decisions are greatly simplified: you draw all the ships and other objects that are above the local horizon from the camera's perspective. So it's no longer necessary to arbitrarily cut things off at a specific distance.

Extending the game world beyond the Baltic Sea also means that all those finicky details about saltwater density, tides and suchlike suddenly become a lot more relevant.

Weather patterns also vary a lot worldwide - perhaps a complete forecast-quality weather model is too much to ask from a small team, but you should at least model the trade winds, average fog and rainfall incidence, and seasonal storm likelihood, for which first-order data is available on ocean pilotage charts. Also, the smaller types of waves (high-frequency components of the Fourier transform) react a whole lot quicker to changes in wind speed and direction than the big swells (low-frequency) do. This would be a big improvement over the abruptly-changing, context-free, completely random weather in Silent Hunter.

If you plan to model torpedo failures realistically, the magnetic detonators were apparently affected by latitude due to the vertical angle of the geomagnetic field. Ambient sea noises, especially biologics and ice cracking, are also region-dependent, while the incidence of suspended silt and/or vegetable matter in some regions has a strong attenuation effect on sonar transmission, making both submarines and escorts almost completely deaf.

The above factors are the sort of thing which add to game depth rather than complexity as seen by the player; this is generally a good thing. How many of them can be done within the new game's format and budget remains to be seen.

nsomnia · 06-24-16, 08:08 AM

I'll tell you right now now very many very easily. In the game industry you fake it till you make it.

raymond6751 · 06-26-16, 05:46 AM

I'm 100% happy with this news. I too had always dreamed of a multi-player sub. Neal, you are the MAN!

I backed the Kickstarter and I will be eager to be in the front of the line to get the game on Steam and all of its future versions. No mistake, it will live a long life because Onkel Neal and his gang will see to it.

I intend to send my pledge for the Kickstarter to Subsim as a donation. Neal has his hands full, guys, so we can help in this way.

Yay

06-23-16, 10:17 AM	#1
NightFromTheWest12 Watch Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 17 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Request For Demo. First of all Congrats for your sponsors. I am glad to see that this game will make it to release. Now there is a request I have. Would you be able to allow the demo to stay up until release? I was planning to play it and make it a part of my YouTube Channel and help spread the word about it. That is all I wanted to know. Thanks and have a good one.

06-23-16, 10:19 AM	#2
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,908 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard! NightFromTheWest12! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

06-23-16, 07:26 PM	#5
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,908 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Welcome back SFCspoonman! After a nine year silent run! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe" Last edited by Aktungbby; 06-24-16 at 03:11 AM.

06-24-16, 01:04 AM	#6
Chromatix Watch Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 26 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	If you do manage to make it "open world" rather than "discrete mission" based, something fundamental will be the world model. Silent Hunter - all of them - use "plate carrée", which badly distorts both distance and direction anywhere but the Equator. With modern computing power, it should easily be feasible to use a true spheroidal model, but that'll need to be designed in at an early stage. An obvious approach would be to use an Earth-centred physics model, in double-precision, and for rendering, merely translate all objects from that space to a single-precision graphics space centred on the camera. This of course means that ships in the vicinity of southern Australia really will be upside-down in physics space, but since the camera will be as well, it'll look right in the end. A side benefit of a true spheroidal model is that draw distance decisions are greatly simplified: you draw all the ships and other objects that are above the local horizon from the camera's perspective. So it's no longer necessary to arbitrarily cut things off at a specific distance. Extending the game world beyond the Baltic Sea also means that all those finicky details about saltwater density, tides and suchlike suddenly become a lot more relevant. Weather patterns also vary a lot worldwide - perhaps a complete forecast-quality weather model is too much to ask from a small team, but you should at least model the trade winds, average fog and rainfall incidence, and seasonal storm likelihood, for which first-order data is available on ocean pilotage charts. Also, the smaller types of waves (high-frequency components of the Fourier transform) react a whole lot quicker to changes in wind speed and direction than the big swells (low-frequency) do. This would be a big improvement over the abruptly-changing, context-free, completely random weather in Silent Hunter. If you plan to model torpedo failures realistically, the magnetic detonators were apparently affected by latitude due to the vertical angle of the geomagnetic field. Ambient sea noises, especially biologics and ice cracking, are also region-dependent, while the incidence of suspended silt and/or vegetable matter in some regions has a strong attenuation effect on sonar transmission, making both submarines and escorts almost completely deaf. The above factors are the sort of thing which add to game depth rather than complexity as seen by the player; this is generally a good thing. How many of them can be done within the new game's format and budget remains to be seen. __________________ In a submarine battle, you can be: on fire, underwater, under fire, & taking on water... simultaneously.

06-24-16, 08:08 AM	#7
nsomnia Weps Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 370 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	I'll tell you right now now very many very easily. In the game industry you fake it till you make it. __________________ Current Project [ Operation Trident (Working Title: Project RedWater) ColdWar Subsim] :: Development Log w/ Dwnloads

06-26-16, 05:46 AM	#8
raymond6751 Admirable Mike Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,313 Downloads: 421 Uploads: 0	Hot Dn Neal!** I'm 100% happy with this news. I too had always dreamed of a multi-player sub. Neal, you are the MAN! I backed the Kickstarter and I will be eager to be in the front of the line to get the game on Steam and all of its future versions. No mistake, it will live a long life because Onkel Neal and his gang will see to it. I intend to send my pledge for the Kickstarter to Subsim as a donation. Neal has his hands full, guys, so we can help in this way. Yay __________________ My stuff: https://www.authorsden.com/mikeraymond