US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

Nice thoughts Platapus but I fear we have moved beyond such unity platitudes. The cultural schisms between left and right in this country have grown too large and it's only a matter of time before the chasm engulfs us.

We don't agree on much, but this I can get behind. The divide has definitely been getting worse and worse.


On a more light-hearted note, someone is retweeting slightly changed versions of Trump's tweets as "President Clark" of Babylon 5.
https://twitter.com/realMorganClark

[em2nought]

The left doesn't love this country, they love the socialist utopia that they desperately want to turn it into. Republicans were meekly, cowardly, treasonously letting them do it incrementally until Trump. That's why they HATE him so much, he doesn't fold when threatened with whatever card they wish to play next. He isn't low energy.

Trump is far from perfect, but he's what the right needed in response to the leftward slide that we've been on for many years. Maybe the Bush's of this world won't be such girlie men from now on. When I say that I don't mean I want them to go beat up on some cave dwellers, I want them to fight the fight we have against the left right here, right now.

[vienna]

It looks like another Trump step has resulted in another Trump stumble:

Trump walks back plan to declassify Russia probe documents --

https://nypost.com/2018/09/21/trump-...obe-documents/










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[Platapus]

Originally Posted by August

Nice thoughts Platapus but I fear we have moved beyond such unity platitudes. The cultural schisms between left and right in this country have grown too large and it's only a matter of time before the chasm engulfs us.

Perhaps we could all, here, start being a little more tolerant toward other's and their political opinions.

We have to be the change we want to see.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by em2nought

The left doesn't love this country, they love the socialist utopia that they desperately want to turn it into. Republicans were meekly, cowardly, treasonously letting them do it incrementally until Trump. That's why they HATE him so much, he doesn't fold when threatened with whatever card they wish to play next. He isn't low energy.

Trump is far from perfect, but he's what the right needed in response to the leftward slide that we've been on for many years. Maybe the Bush's of this world won't be such girlie men from now on. When I say that I don't mean I want them to go beat up on some cave dwellers, I want them to fight the fight we have against the left right here, right now.

Or not.

[Skybird]

Trump is the symptom - neither its cause nor it's cure.


Anyhow:

Hello dear old friend, long time no see! Lets do the same old party show from the good ol' times once more!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ome-equity-get
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[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Perhaps we could all, here, start being a little more tolerant toward other's and their political opinions.


We have to be the change we want to see.

Ok i will play a little.



The change I want to see is for the left to stop trying to destroy my country and you're telling me to be more tolerant? How exactly?

[Buddahaid]

I think that went well.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

The change I want to see is for the left to stop trying to destroy my country and you're telling me to be more tolerant? How exactly?

The "Us vs Them" mentality doesn't help. When people started criticizing Trump your first response was "You must have voted for Hillary." A lot of people didn't like either one of them. Not everybody on the Left wants to "destroy the country". There are some real idiots on the Right as well, and a lot of people support the Left as a reaction to them. Yes, there are those on the right who also want to destroy the country, usually in the name of saving it. Look at the Patriot Act. To save the country we have to destroy the very thing it stands for - Liberty. I've seen this from the Right more times than I can count.

That said, I'm still more conservative than I am Liberal. Some might even call me a Libertarian at heart. I do believe there's no such thing as a good tax, period. They may be necessary, but the problems start when politicians decide it's okay to spend other people's money and then decide taxes for whatever cause are a good thing. And every politician does that.

On the other hand I'm not one hundred percent certain that some of the socialist programs wouldn't work. I'm still against them, not on principle but because if they don't work, how do you convince people they aren't working and how do you take them back. The sad truth is that you can't. For that reason I stand against them. And yet here I am, living off the government, using Federal Health Care (through the VA), living in HUD-funded housing, because a low partial rent is better than being homeless again, and getting a very small pension from the same VA.

Double-standard? Maybe. Welfare Queen? It could be argued. Yet so are many millionaires. Did you know the government has a special "free" insurance program for rich people whose homes are wrecked by natural disasters? There are other programs like that, and they were signed into law by members of the "good" Right as well as the "evil" Left. As I see it, both sides are doing everything in their power to destroy, if not the country itself, what it stands for.

[August]

You sound conflicted Steve. When you work it all out get back to me.

[Sailor Steve]

Not conflicted. Just willing to look at all sides of the issues and not automatically assuming I'm right.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I think that went well.

I honestly did not have high expectations.

[Hawk66]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Not conflicted. Just willing to look at all sides of the issues and not automatically assuming I'm right.

I guess that is the key. And stopping to claim that the other side has evil motives.

Frankly, I have my doubts how the majority could be a 'conservative' and a 'liberal' in all topics. For me that looks more like the Amiga vs Atari ST war in my childhood. Similar thing: Facts did not matter but emotions were high on both sides.

I am a conservative when it comes to defense and foreign policy but a liberal or left when it comes to environment/protection of animals. I guess maybe that helps to understand the 'other' side...

[mapuc]

Divided Americans !?

Please tell me I'm wrong when I say/Write:

Whether you like or dislike your President Mr. Trump

You like your country.

You may see it differently on how your country should be ruled….but you love your country.

I'm talking about the country outside the politics.

Markus

[Skybird]

"Conservatism is only as good as what it conserves." - Hayek.

"You must grab them by their pussies." - Trump.