UK Politics Thread

[Jimbuna]

Just received an update on the iPhone stating May has secured 'legally binding' changes to the Brexit deal

[STEED]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47533164

Well the bookies are saying the vote will be closer now. I'm at work of the time of the big vote, I'm going to miss all the action!

[Skybird]

And I spent 20 minutes now trying to find any source that explains en detail what it is and in how far the legal binding quality indeed is a given that doe snot reside just in the realm of abstract theory, but pragmatic reality - if it gets triggered.


To explain this just tomorrow and demanding MP to vote on it just a few minutes later, is hilarious, irresponsible and extremely underhanded. The intention obviously is that nobody shall study it too carefully, but should approve it.



I don't trust this.


P.S. I had found article, Steed. But if you really take it by its word, it explains no detailed content, only rumours the wanted hear-say. It explains nothing.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And I spent 20 minutes now trying to find any source that explains en detail what it is and in how far the legal binding quality indeed is a given that doe snot reside just in the realm of abstract theory, but pragmatic reality - if it gets triggered.


To explain this just tomorrow and demanding MP to vote on it just a few minutes later, is hilarious, irresponsible and extremely underhanded. The intention obviously is that nobody shall study it too carefully, but should approve it.



I don't trust this.

Yee of little faith, oh wait I'm in Sky's fan club.

I agree Sky I smell a rat and I'm not talking about Jim's apple cider pie.

[Reece]

Originally Posted by STEED

I smell a rat and I'm not talking about Jim's apple cider pie.

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47533666

Conservative Dominic Grieve, a former attorney general, said he had looked carefully at the documents overnight and concluded that the changes negotiated did not make "any significant difference" to the backstop.
"It does not allow the UK the right to terminate the backstop at the timing of its own choice," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

I am not full of doubt to see my earlier assumptions of how the EU plays this match could prevail. I stick to my scepticism because I assume the EU does make the strongest moves in its repertoire, not messing its stratgey of discouragement up afterwards, needlessly. It makes no sense to assume the EU opens a security valve and lets pressure out of the kettle. Its a 180° reverse turn by them if they do that. It makes no sense.

A German radio comment, usually the German media are supportive of the EU and against the UK on this, a German radio comment now said this monring the new deal is nothing really new, just reformulations to hide the truth that the UK cannot leave unilaterally from a Backstop deal.

Politics is a game of lies and betrayal. Never trust it. NEVER.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And I spent 20 minutes now trying to find any source that explains en detail what it is and in how far the legal binding quality indeed is a given that doe snot reside just in the realm of abstract theory, but pragmatic reality - if it gets triggered.


To explain this just tomorrow and demanding MP to vote on it just a few minutes later, is hilarious, irresponsible and extremely underhanded. The intention obviously is that nobody shall study it too carefully, but should approve it.



I don't trust this.

That makes you and me both at this current point in time

[Jimbuna]

Attorney General Geoffrey Cox has published his updated legal advice before making a Commons statement.

LINK: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...tent=immediate

The nub of the conclusion:

However, the legal risk remains unchanged that if through no such demonstrable failure of either
party, but simply because of intractable differences, that situation does arise, the United Kingdom
would have, at least while the fundamental circumstances remained the same, no internationally
lawful means of exiting the Protocol’s arrangements, save by agreement.

[STEED]

Lots of news on the airways about the Attorney General's view on it, mixed bad from good to bad. Lots of fake news about.

[STEED]

Labour will be voting against no surprise there as they are lusting for power like a druggie needing a big fix. Labour showing to hell with the voters we do as we please.

[Jimbuna]

Simply focus on the conclusion. That is all that matters.

[STEED]

If its another thumping "NO" tonight will MayBot fall? For my money I would say no as she has clearly shown she too lusts power and will not be forced out.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by STEED

If its another thumping "NO" tonight will MayBot fall? For my money I would say no as she has clearly shown she too lusts power and will not be forced out.

I would love to sell her a car. 200 thousand miles, rusty and shabby, seventh-hand buy that I catch for 300 bucks - I could easily sell it to her as a factory-new Rolly Royce with special features worth 400 thousand plus. I even could make her swear that its a steal!

[Jimbuna]

Hard to predict how big a margin the vote will end in a defeat by but it will be smaller than the last vote margin.

Despite the best efforts of the Attorney General the DUP and ERG have already stated they cannpt support the current deal on offer so this could mean an extention or even the first death knell for Brexit.

[Skybird]

No need to cry if it gets voted down, since even if it passes this "deal" would be ringing the death knell for Brexit in the meaning of the term as well.

They all should really realise this week that all three votes this week should be nayed and a no deal Brexit should be plot course for - like from all beginning on. A delay, whether it be a few weeks or even one or two years, leads nowhere, just to a continuation of the current misery and paralysis. Better an end with hardship, than hardship without ends. In the end, right now the UK can dom nothing. In case of a no deal brexit it at least gains back the freedom to do and to try as it wants, which is more than it has now or will get with a "deal".

This paralysis has to be brought to an end, and if Brexit should have any meanign left to it, then ther eis only one option: to leave without any deal. Due to the lousy preparation of May over the past two years where she was busy with wasting time for nothing, it will be much harder now, but I think it can become a sustainable endavour over medium and long time. The UK and itzs economy in parts have to reinvent itself, however, and I had that on mind from beginning on, namely for the so-called financial sector, which is no real economy anyway. Low tax regime to attract companies from overseas and beating the high-tax competition from the EU. Threatening to stop full criminal and intel and military competition with the rest of Europe if it endlessly blocks new treaties on business and trade. May has played it way too lame and non-aggressive from beginning on. See where it got her: nowhere.

It takes two to tango. Play it tough, UK. Get rid of your corrupted "elite", become a low tax haven to attract investors, and become nasty with the EU. Where the EU is extremely vulnerable, is finances, and being challenged for lowering taxes is the best option to press it for real compromises - not any more of these foul "deals".

And who knows, in the forseeable future, when the next tsunami of symptoms for the collapse of the apper money regime crashes down onto everybody'S heads, the UK may benefit from no longer being so dependent on its financial sector and London City money business - if indeed the time and opportunity gets used for getting homework done and the old ways get modenrised, replaced, chnaged, altered, whatever. The Chinese sign for "risk", I read, is two signs, actually, the one meaning "danger", the other "opportunity". Its not about preserving old ways, but about dramatically changing and replacing them. One thing that neither May'S tories, nor socialist Corbyn'S Tories so far seem to nhave understood. No wonder, since it threatens their members' very lifestyle models by which they make their living. Britons will understand this, send them to hell and face both dangers and chances, or they refuse to understand, and then will need to suffer what they must. The coming years are judgement time.