UC3 Nautilus sunk - Peter Madsen charged with murder of journalist Kim Wall - Page 18

CaptBlanc · 09-17-17, 01:29 AM

I think you misunderstood me, Robbins.

Madsen is most certainly a monster!

What my point was, is that he's apparently the kind of sociopath that can, indeed, attempt to cover up an accidental death. Much like a hit-and-run driver who causes an automobile accident but flees to avoid responsibility.

Madsen, from what I can see, values his expensive hobby of subs and rockets more than the life of Kim Wall or the social responsiblility he owes because of her death.

His actions, especially those of dismembering the body, and his behavior of calm detachment alternating with depression over losing his sub, show that he has a massive defect of character.

If he were tried in the U.S. , he'd find out that due to his attempts to hide the incident from investigation, he's managed to turn what could have been a simple invouluntary manslaughter case into a felony with a life imprisonment penalty attached.

Carotio · 09-17-17, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptBlanc

Madsen, from what I can see, values his expensive hobby of subs and rockets more than the life of Kim Wall or the social responsiblility he owes because of her death.

Well, the sponsors of his space adventure has withdrawn ther support, and the remaining members of his support group are gathering soon to discuss the closure of that group. Their individual support payment has allready stopped. So whenever PM is getting out, and one day it probably will happen, then he will get out to nothing. But this is purely speculation.

According to an article, several lawyers are wondering, why the lawyer of PM allows him to talk that much as he has done. The changing explanations of PM has made his case worse, and even if the remaining parts of the body of KW won't be found, the court may disregard the explanations of PM as unvoid, because he has changed them several times. At least, according to those lawyers. In Denmark, we had a case in 2000, when a murderer of 3 people were convicted, even though the bodies weren't found. And thus PM could be convicted too. The dismemberment of the body makes his explanations really suspicious. If he buried the body in one piece, then somebody else should have taken the dead body up from the sea, cut it out carefully, and then been dumping the pieces back to the sea. That explanation would be the only plausible explanation, but the problem for PM is that nobody can and will believe that explantion.

And this is the conclusion which made the sponsors withdraw their money from the support group for his space adventure.

Reece · 09-17-17, 07:41 PM

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If he buried the body in one piece, then somebody else should have taken the dead body up from the sea, cut it out carefully, and then been dumping the pieces back to the sea.

This would mean someone found the body then said to themselves "Oooh, I must cut up this body then dump it back in the sea". That was a thrill!!

Carotio · 09-18-17, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

This would mean someone found the body then said to themselves "Oooh, I must cut up this body then dump it back in the sea". That was a thrill!!

This is exactly the reason why the sponsors withdrew their support - it's unbelievable. Who the "jingle-bell jingle-bell jingle-bell jingle-bell" would do that? Nobody!

Anyway, I heard in radio today that PM has accepted to have his mental health examined by a psychologist, so the police doesn't have to force it upon him.

Reece · 09-18-17, 07:37 AM

Oh to be a fly on the wall in that office!!

heartc · 09-18-17, 10:27 AM

I don't buy any of it.

- Guy makes a private space program.
- Guy has a private submarine.
- Journalist washes ashore, dismembered
- Zero motif, at least none that is discussed (or did I miss anything?)

This smells like some alphabet %&$# to me. I know this might come as a surprise to some of you around these parts, but the IC is not your friend.

Also, journalists are often involved in intelligence operations / have connections to the IC. And submarines / submariners also tend to come close to fields the IC is operating in. So do space programs.

I have no idea what the story here is, but the underpinnings are very suspicious, and the official narrative makes absolutely no sense. Guy builds a submarine and wants to go to space, has lots of fun with it, but then decides to kill a random journalist instead, dismember her and drop her at sea, sink the sub and then tell a BS story, even though he must know that bodies tend to wash up at shore and dismembering is of no use, especially in modern times with DNA identification (what it helps with though is making identification harder or impossible for the general public or people not directly involved in the investigation...or operation).

What is also strange is that the police immediately held him for *murder* when the whereabouts of the journalist were not even known yet (she was floating dismembered at sea at this point according to the story), so how could the police pretty much have the case closed before any investigation even started or the body turned up? Was there more going on before the act and was the police or whoever already monitoring it, or was there a script in place? You do not immediately pin murder on a guy whose submarine sank only because some journalist disappeared at around the same time, I mean, honestly?

Also - I have no idea - was there any connection between this guy and the subsim member murdered a few years ago who was supposedly a witness in some political case? Did they know each other?

In any case, I just read the first several pages of this thread until the case was closed and none of it made any sense whatsoever. Not in the beginning, the middle or the end. It sure smells like BS though.

razark · 09-18-17, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by heartc

This smells like some alphabet %&$# to me.

Or, maybe an accident happened, the guy panicked, and wasn't thinking clearly?

Nah. It's probably the spooks. That's much more likely.

heartc · 09-18-17, 12:37 PM

Yes. Even though, I'm not saying the spooks "did it", because what actually happened and not is unclear when they were involved.

Also, want to correct myself with regards to the subsim member murdered a few years ago: I think it was not a political case he was a witness in, but had something to do with organized crime. Makes no difference though in the end, because OC has all sorts of connections to agencies and authorities. And politics.

Obltn Strand · 09-18-17, 01:12 PM

You don't know much about police work do you? Police always assumes the worst and they don't blame, they suspect. Blaming is prosecutors job. They build together a case against suspect.

heartc · 09-18-17, 01:47 PM

Yes, but usually they don't immediately go public like that with their investigation or their suspicion. I'm sure it's actually against the law in most jurisdictions to implicate a guy that early and that openly in what is still an ongoing investigation at that point. They do that internally but don't usually go public like that. Unless you WANT a certain narrative be propagated and "know" the outcome before the investigation is closed. The fact that authorities came out that early with "We are holding him for suspected murder" while the victim was just known to be "missing" makes the whole thing more suspect. At a minimum, there must have been going on a lot more than that beforehand what they are not telling. Which is what I'm saying: This thing is a lot more involved than the BS story they put out: "Hey, yeah, it was just Mr. Nice Guy who went maniac again, you know the type." Bull.

mako88sb · 09-18-17, 02:05 PM

I'm assuming the journalist was a heavy user of the internet and no doubt, her sudden absence from it was what set off alarm bells with anybody that knew her plus the police that probably checked into that right away. For PM to claim he had dropped her off somewhere else must have been a pretty glaring point of contention for them.

Rockstar · 09-18-17, 02:14 PM

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Yes, but usually they don't immediately go public like that with their investigation or their suspicion.

Then there's those times when officials act because they know more about the case than you do.

heartc · 09-18-17, 02:26 PM

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Then there's those times when officials act because they know more about the case than you do.

And you.

heartc · 09-18-17, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mako88sb

I'm assuming the journalist was a heavy user of the internet and no doubt, her sudden absence from it was what set off alarm bells with anybody that knew her plus the police that probably checked into that right away. For PM to claim he had dropped her off somewhere else must have been a pretty glaring point of contention for them.

Yes. So, she was missing. People and relatives probably reported her missing after a short time, too. Many people go missing all the time for all sorts of reasons. But for the police to immediately confront the press with "that sub guy probably murdered her" is quite extraordinary. Even if they were last together, her disappearing does not immediately implicate murder, and by this specific guy. She could have run off, she could have gotten drunken somewhere in some bar and kidnapped, they could have been involved in some crime and she made a getaway...So, how did they have such high confidence immediately to hold him for murder AND make it public right away? Did they have taps on him? Did they have him under surveillance prior? Why?

Obltn Strand · 09-18-17, 02:51 PM

Actually first police investigated disappearance of KW. Then PM's story had some holes in it. Surveillance tapes and eyewitnesses couldn't verify it. Then torso of KW was founded. THEN police began talking about murder. You don't find torsos in water every other day in nordic countries.

Don't get too much involved in conspiracy theories.

09-18-17, 07:37 AM	#260
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 32,772 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Oh to be a fly on the wall in that office!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

09-18-17, 10:27 AM	#261
heartc Samurai Navy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 562 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	I don't buy any of it. - Guy makes a private space program. - Guy has a private submarine. - Journalist washes ashore, dismembered - Zero motif, at least none that is discussed (or did I miss anything?) This smells like some alphabet %&$# to me. I know this might come as a surprise to some of you around these parts, but the IC is not your friend. Also, journalists are often involved in intelligence operations / have connections to the IC. And submarines / submariners also tend to come close to fields the IC is operating in. So do space programs. I have no idea what the story here is, but the underpinnings are very suspicious, and the official narrative makes absolutely no sense. Guy builds a submarine and wants to go to space, has lots of fun with it, but then decides to kill a random journalist instead, dismember her and drop her at sea, sink the sub and then tell a BS story, even though he must know that bodies tend to wash up at shore and dismembering is of no use, especially in modern times with DNA identification (what it helps with though is making identification harder or impossible for the general public or people not directly involved in the investigation...or operation). What is also strange is that the police immediately held him for murder when the whereabouts of the journalist were not even known yet (she was floating dismembered at sea at this point according to the story), so how could the police pretty much have the case closed before any investigation even started or the body turned up? Was there more going on before the act and was the police or whoever already monitoring it, or was there a script in place? You do not immediately pin murder on a guy whose submarine sank only because some journalist disappeared at around the same time, I mean, honestly? Also - I have no idea - was there any connection between this guy and the subsim member murdered a few years ago who was supposedly a witness in some political case? Did they know each other? In any case, I just read the first several pages of this thread until the case was closed and none of it made any sense whatsoever. Not in the beginning, the middle or the end. It sure smells like BS though. __________________ Last edited by Sailor Steve; 09-18-17 at 12:37 PM. Reason: Edited for language

09-18-17, 12:37 PM	#263
heartc Samurai Navy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 562 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	Yes. Even though, I'm not saying the spooks "did it", because what actually happened and not is unclear when they were involved. Also, want to correct myself with regards to the subsim member murdered a few years ago: I think it was not a political case he was a witness in, but had something to do with organized crime. Makes no difference though in the end, because OC has all sorts of connections to agencies and authorities. And politics. __________________ Last edited by heartc; 09-18-17 at 01:01 PM.

09-18-17, 01:12 PM	#264
Obltn Strand Commodore Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 614 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 0	You don't know much about police work do you? Police always assumes the worst and they don't blame, they suspect. Blaming is prosecutors job. They build together a case against suspect. __________________ Himmel, sukeltakaa!

09-18-17, 01:47 PM	#265
heartc Samurai Navy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 562 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	Yes, but usually they don't immediately go public like that with their investigation or their suspicion. I'm sure it's actually against the law in most jurisdictions to implicate a guy that early and that openly in what is still an ongoing investigation at that point. They do that internally but don't usually go public like that. Unless you WANT a certain narrative be propagated and "know" the outcome before the investigation is closed. The fact that authorities came out that early with "We are holding him for suspected murder" while the victim was just known to be "missing" makes the whole thing more suspect. At a minimum, there must have been going on a lot more than that beforehand what they are not telling. Which is what I'm saying: This thing is a lot more involved than the BS story they put out: "Hey, yeah, it was just Mr. Nice Guy who went maniac again, you know the type." Bull. __________________ Last edited by heartc; 09-18-17 at 02:00 PM.

09-17-17, 01:29 AM	#256
CaptBlanc Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 10 Downloads: 112 Uploads: 0	I think you misunderstood me, Robbins. Madsen is most certainly a monster! What my point was, is that he's apparently the kind of sociopath that can, indeed, attempt to cover up an accidental death. Much like a hit-and-run driver who causes an automobile accident but flees to avoid responsibility. Madsen, from what I can see, values his expensive hobby of subs and rockets more than the life of Kim Wall or the social responsiblility he owes because of her death. His actions, especially those of dismembering the body, and his behavior of calm detachment alternating with depression over losing his sub, show that he has a massive defect of character. If he were tried in the U.S. , he'd find out that due to his attempts to hide the incident from investigation, he's managed to turn what could have been a simple invouluntary manslaughter case into a felony with a life imprisonment penalty attached.

09-18-17, 02:05 PM	#266
mako88sb XO Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 423 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm assuming the journalist was a heavy user of the internet and no doubt, her sudden absence from it was what set off alarm bells with anybody that knew her plus the police that probably checked into that right away. For PM to claim he had dropped her off somewhere else must have been a pretty glaring point of contention for them.

09-18-17, 02:51 PM	#270
Obltn Strand Commodore Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 614 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 0	Actually first police investigated disappearance of KW. Then PM's story had some holes in it. Surveillance tapes and eyewitnesses couldn't verify it. Then torso of KW was founded. THEN police began talking about murder. You don't find torsos in water every other day in nordic countries. Don't get too much involved in conspiracy theories. __________________ Himmel, sukeltakaa!