Counter detection.

Polak2 · 06-19-17, 07:26 AM

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It's because you have been detected, discovered...

....and that would be one of the tasks of the mission?

06-19-17, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Polak2

....and that would be one of the tasks of the mission?

No. To stay undetected is, logically.

FPSchazly · 06-19-17, 08:04 AM

I believe it affects some of the following missions as to whether or not you were detected.

Polak2 · 06-19-17, 11:43 AM

There are 4 mission goals in this assignment, following by the status of its accomplishments som 2 hrs into the mission:
critical
arrive at finish line:incomplete
go to PD:complete
non-critical
counter-detect:complete
out of Training Area: incomplete

Counter detect mission status changed to complete as soon as i have received message "you have been counter-detected"

so, are you saying that to accomplish this mission fully and successfully that 1st non-critical goal of counter detection should be always remaining as incomplete to the end?

06-19-17, 11:52 AM

Correct.
I know it is very misleading, but that's how Jane's and later Sonalysts did it, always.
Never liked it either.

The non-criticals are often (mis-)used as a "status" check so to speak.

Polak2 · 06-19-17, 12:12 PM

Thank you for this clarification. Yes, i also think that this particularly task was little "foggy" .

Anyways, thanks to going through this mission with some attention to detail, I have noticed and now realise that sonar ping from one of the patrolling Spruances has suddenly changed its sound from longer ping to much shorter with some sort of reverb (bounce) on the end. That possibly was the moment they nailed me as it reminded me sound of the torpedo sonar ping just before impact from some other missions played in the past.

DW has some rough edges, but also it is very deep (no obvious pun intended), complex and involving simulation. Just those decade old and by today's standard "outdated" graphics.....

06-19-17, 12:23 PM

Dangerous Waters can be very deep and demanding, absolutely, especially if one wants to master sonar, TMA and most importantly: Situational awareness.

Are you playing vanilla, or with the Reinforce Alert mod?

In case of RA, be aware that vanilla missions - like the campaigns - are basically broken due to drastic sensor-range changes and other things.
However, the vanilla campaign is silly and boring anyways, in this department the game fails heavily, in my opinion.

Regarding the pings, you observed that right.
The pings will, depending on the source, always sound exactly the same, so you can quickly learn to differentiate them. Torpedo-pings are higher pitched and shorter, surface vessel pings are the loooong ones that will annoy you heavily sooner or later and submarine pings you'll hardly ever hear for obvious reasons, but it can happen and sounds also very different.

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06-19-17, 11:43 AM	#4
Polak2 Weps Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 371 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	There are 4 mission goals in this assignment, following by the status of its accomplishments som 2 hrs into the mission: critical arrive at finish line:incomplete go to PD:complete non-critical counter-detect:complete out of Training Area: incomplete Counter detect mission status changed to complete as soon as i have received message "you have been counter-detected" so, are you saying that to accomplish this mission fully and successfully that 1st non-critical goal of counter detection should be always remaining as incomplete to the end?

06-19-17, 11:52 AM	#5
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Correct. I know it is very misleading, but that's how Jane's and later Sonalysts did it, always. Never liked it either. The non-criticals are often (mis-)used as a "status" check so to speak.

06-19-17, 12:12 PM	#6
Polak2 Weps Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 371 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Thank you for this clarification. Yes, i also think that this particularly task was little "foggy" . Anyways, thanks to going through this mission with some attention to detail, I have noticed and now realise that sonar ping from one of the patrolling Spruances has suddenly changed its sound from longer ping to much shorter with some sort of reverb (bounce) on the end. That possibly was the moment they nailed me as it reminded me sound of the torpedo sonar ping just before impact from some other missions played in the past. DW has some rough edges, but also it is very deep (no obvious pun intended), complex and involving simulation. Just those decade old and by today's standard "outdated" graphics.....

06-19-17, 12:23 PM	#7
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Dangerous Waters can be very deep and demanding, absolutely, especially if one wants to master sonar, TMA and most importantly: Situational awareness. Are you playing vanilla, or with the Reinforce Alert mod? In case of RA, be aware that vanilla missions - like the campaigns - are basically broken due to drastic sensor-range changes and other things. However, the vanilla campaign is silly and boring anyways, in this department the game fails heavily, in my opinion. Regarding the pings, you observed that right. The pings will, depending on the source, always sound exactly the same, so you can quickly learn to differentiate them. Torpedo-pings are higher pitched and shorter, surface vessel pings are the loooong ones that will annoy you heavily sooner or later and submarine pings you'll hardly ever hear for obvious reasons, but it can happen and sounds also very different.