The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

[Mittelwaechter]

I wish somebody had the answer to stopping all this.

We send our troops into their homes - and some of them come to our homes and pay back.

We are totally aghast, if our people suffer and our thoughts are with them, but we have accepted our troops' violence in their homeland as a commonplace.

We could stop killing their families and they would stop killing ours.
We let them live the way they want - and grant therefore liberty, human rights and democracy the way they want to have it. They prefer a theocracy? Their problem.

If they want to live the way we do, they will care for it.

But our systems' necessity to grow, to expand, to get more cheap workers, consumers, debtors and ressources under control causes all this violence of ours.
So it causes their violence in revenge.

Capitalism is violent by default.
Pressure causes counterpressure.
Our organized terror causes unorganized counterterror.

We all know it to be wrong, but we have no tools in our “free, democratic” society to change things, because our society's rules are designed to support the violent growth of capitalism.

We are caught in a trap. We refuse violence, name it to be archaic, but have to support it on our side. So we justify it with the glorious delivery of our western values, to be granted to those “poor opressed people” we want to serve our economic desires.

So we switch to the second best thing and ask to ban the violent pictures from our news. We don't want to have a constant reminder of our fork-tounged ideology.

We are overfed with our own medicine - and wish someone would have the answer to stop all this.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

From what I've red last night according to French Newspapers they found explosives, arms and munition in the driver's cabin...makes you wonder what other ideas the twisted bastard might have had if he wasn't shot by the police.

Seems the guy had a colourful rap sheet too from what I've read on the papers this morning.

Yeah, that's one of my long time gripes about crime in general. When we have a mass killing, drunk driving murders, or some other heinous crime, it is almost always someone who has been in trouble many times. Same with these poor fools who manage to get shot by the police. They are never sweet law-abiding people, they typically are owners of a long rap sheet. They need to stay in prison longer; much, much longer.

[August]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

We let them live the way they want - and grant therefore liberty, human rights and democracy the way they want to have it. They prefer a theocracy? Their problem.

Who is they? The radical minority that chops off the heads of infidels and apostates and crushes any dissenting voices in their own community or the great majority regular people who just want to get along?

Differentiating between the two, that's the problem...

[Catfish]

^ You are both right, however.. i take it that invading of and behaving "badly" in other countries does stock up terrorist potential in one or the other way.
There will always be nutjobs, but it sems we are not completely innocent in having bred some more.

[Dmitry Markov]

My sincere condolences to all who suffered in Nice (((

Hate to write such things again and again.

I love France and French people, love to visit France and it makes me very sad to hear such news from there ((

[Onkel Neal]

Same here, Dmitry, good post.

[Skybird]

crippled, so: deleted

[Mittelwaechter]

Originally Posted by August

Who is they? The radical minority that chops off the heads of infidels and apostates and crushes any dissenting voices in their own community or the great majority regular people who just want to get along?

Differentiating between the two, that's the problem...

They are like us - accepting our elites to set the rules we have to follow.

Our rulers decide who is a terrorist, an extremist, a critic, a left or right wacko, a misfit - as they did allways - defining witches, heretics, renegades, dissenters, heathens, infidels...

They have their system, we have ours. But we are made believe our system is superior and it shall expand all over the world.

Our elites want to have their elites wealth. That's what we are fighting for - under the cloak of freedom, human rights and democracy.

Capitalism is competitive and aggressive, needs more and more of everything to survive.
They - the socialists, the communists, the theocrats - have it, but don't want to provide it volunteerly. They are not after competition, but after coexistence, sharing and caring.

The capitalists use force - economic force (sanctions) or physical force (war) to get what they want. They can't tolerate any other system, as it may show an alternative of living peacefully and relaxed to the own exploited people.
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me”.

And all their resources are belong to us!

Socialists, communists and theocracies could tolerate capitalism, if it would be peaceful.
They try to share what they have, adapt their population to their sustainably available ressources. The “bad” Chinese one child policy was exactly about this.
No growth is needed.

Bad bad idea in our elites eyes - and we are tought by their media to condemn it.
Restricting the poor Chinese personal freedom is bad.
Opposed to restricting our Western liberties is allways necessary to protect the good system.


So our elites make them enemies and send our children to fight, kill and die, to conquer and take what they want. And we take pride in fighting for our elites freedom to raise above others and exploit, betray and rob them - us - legally.

And we take pride in defending these human rights - those privileges we are granted by our elites as long as they don't have any other interest. Protecting East-Libyian civillians - their human rights - by killing West-Libyian civillians - while denying their human rights - is only a question of interest.

And this representative democracy is just a show to make the people believe they have a say. Politicians are under control of our elites and are easily replaceable.
Cameron and May anyone?
By voting we legitimize the system of our elites. The act itself is important, our vote itself is of no importance.
Vote for Trump or Clinton - and get the best president money can buy.

Their perception is under control - and their loyality is payed for.

Well, Trump is a problem here, as he didn't collect money from the elites to be easily controlled. The establishment - even his own party - is fighting him consequently, while Clinton is protected by the law and from the law.


We? They? It doesn't matter. The people are controlled, the elites rule - here and there. They make the laws and their people baer them.

Would you like to have a Chinese army in the US, providing their superior values to those poor US citizens dependent on food stamps?
Capitalism is obviously pretty bad for a huge part of the US society.

Shouldn't the Chinese help to better their conditions? Even by force, if there were some US militias defending this inhumane capitalist lifestyle, after the regular US military has been wiped out by the glorious Chinese People's Liberation Army.

They liberate too, you know...

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

A human condemning that liberty, equality and fraternity is under attack!

One of your own kin is condemning violence.

You both just don't believe in the same Santa Claus.

Your Santa wears a red dress, while his wears a blue one.

I don't believe in any form of Santa Claus, I'm an atheist and well above all this nonsense that causes people to go nuts and slaughter each other for centuries now.
Islam has nothing to do with values like liberty or equality, it strongly oppresses both, wherever it can, yet there is that lying bastard who dares to pull off a stunt like that. In Islam this is called Taqiyya*.
Surely, I am mistaken and Islam, as usual, has nothing to do with this, although about dozen of Suras from the Quran completely supports the actions of these "minorities".

Edit: One more thing, guess how many attacks in the name of Islam have been committed in July alone? Just Nice, right? I mean we didn't really hear anything else so...

 

During this time period, there were 186 Islamic attacks in 30 countries, in which 1561 people were killed and 2053 injured.

Oh... (source)

*There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

[Schroeder]

I'm actually all for deporting foreigners with a criminal record. The moment they get jail time or a suspended jail time sentence it should be the highway for them. If they don't have a passport (which they've of course lost while still having their smart phones...) then make a deal with Zimbabwe. They get 20.000€ for every criminal they take and just have to guarantee that he won't be killed or tortured. So if someone doesn't have papers and doesn't want to remember where he is from then he gets send to Zimbabwe (or any other African hell hole). I bet that'll make them remember where they are from and would most likely be way more deterring than our (mostly suspended) jail sentences they get. You show you have no respect for the house's rules you get thrown out. That simple and I don't give a sheet whether they are in danger of torture or execution in their home countries. They got safety, food and shelter here and they CHOSE themselves to become criminals regardless so let them face the consequences.
But no, can't do that, have to be better than that....let's give them a slap on the wrist instead and feel good about ourselves.

Originally Posted by Schroeder

<common sense>

Oh you evil, evil Nazi you!

[Betonov]

Hey, I'm with Schroeder on this.

People need to learn that new country means new rules.
Equal chance to succed and equal chance you get prosecuted.
Just that prison should be reserved for taypayers.

[Onkel Neal]

Just a friendly word of caution: don't get so worked up you forget we have rules in this forum. Do not quite articles if it means including excessive vulgar language. Post a link, if necessary.

Easy, right?

[Skybird]

What quote...? The only quote I gave was by my grandfather. The article I just linked to, its all in German, so: no quoting done. The harsh language is by me. The newspaper is a major nationbal media over here, so no harsh language in that anyway.

[Onkel Neal]

All right, it was hard to tell where the article left off and you began. Just no t**** and h**** language, mate.