I shed a tear or two - Page 2

Aktungbby · 09-29-15, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon U-48

As far as I know the Soviets never rounded up ethnic groups or other races with the sole purpose of exterminating them like rodents. The millions of deaths attributed to starvation are a result of poor collective farming ideas and wasn't done to purposely wipe out a group of people.

WRONG! "Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there (The Kulaks) seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands.... By the end of 1933, nearly 25 percent of the population of the Ukraine, including three million children, had perished. The Kulaks as a class were destroyed and an entire nation of village farmers had been laid low." http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm (and u wonder why the Ukraine doesn't want Putin back!)

Fahnenbohn · 09-29-15, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon U-48

As far as I know the Soviets never rounded up ethnic groups or other races with the sole purpose of exterminating them like rodents. The millions of deaths attributed to starvation are a result of poor collective farming ideas and wasn't done to purposely wipe out a group of people.

And Germans haven't exterminated any people. There are still a lot of Jews in Europe ! (ps : it's not a problem for me, I don't want to kill anyone, lol). And yes, a lot of Jews died during WW2, but a very few number compared to many other people. And they were not assassinated by the "nazis" because they were Jews. Most of them died at the end of the war (1944 and 1945). Why ? Because of allied bombings which destroyed communication ways and caused famines and epidemics (typhus, inter alia). Germans would have been crazy to kill these people. That was the war industry workforce !!!

Jimbuna · 09-29-15, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

And Germans haven't exterminated any people. There are still a lot of Jews in Europe ! (ps : it's not a problem for me, I don't want to kill anyone, lol). And yes, a lot of Jews died during WW2, but a very few number compared to many other people. And they were not assassinated by the "nazis" because they were Jews. Most of them died at the end of the war (1944 and 1945). Why ? Because of allied bombings which destroyed communication ways and caused famines and epidemics (typhus, inter alia). Germans would have been crazy to kill these people. That was the war industry workforce !!!

I read the above with a fair level of surprise, shock and dismay and having now received post reports I have little option other than to intervene.

If the above is truly what you believe then I think it pointless to point out what I and I suspect so many others will see as fundamental flaws in your post content.

It is not my job to argue or otherwise disprove what you have posted and as such I presume obviously that of which you believe.

It is however my job on this forum to oversee activity and content that is well within the rules of this forum and as such I am asking you not to repeat the above contents in any other parts of the forum or such action will most likely be deemed as being in breach of SubSims stance on hate groups and in particular propaganda denying the Holocaust.

Sailor Steve · 09-29-15, 02:37 PM

I have a slightly different view.

This is a thread about the surrender of the u-boats at the end of the war, in a forum about playing a u-boat game. I've re-read the thread several times now. I suggest that you do the same, then explain why this isn't taking place in General Topics, where it obviously belongs.

Please keep the game forums on topic.

Fahnenbohn · 09-29-15, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

It is however my job on this forum to oversee activity and content that is well within the rules of this forum and as such I am asking you not to repeat the above contents in any other parts of the forum or such action will most likely be deemed as being in breach of SubSims stance on hate groups and in particular propaganda denying the Holocaust.

I understand your reaction. This is not the appropriate forum for a historical debate. But I don't admit my comments to be assimilated to hate, propaganda or antisemitism. What I'm saying are only fully proven historical facts. History is the search of the truth. This is not a dogma. Otherwise, it is a religion. The Holocaust has become a religion. I'm not talking about religion, but about history. So, I don't care about the intolerants who are saying I'm a heretic. If the only argument to oppose is censorship, then the holocaust thesis really not worth much.

We will talk again about this subject in 10 years, when what I say will be recognized as being the truth. In the meantime, let the historians do their research, instead of sending them to jail and persecute their family.

And final point : if what I'm saying is "propaganda", so I also have the right to say that the Holocaust is anti-german propaganda (and that's true).

Now, I won't talk about this subject anymore on this forum.

Regards,

F.

Jimbuna · 09-29-15, 03:27 PM

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What I'm saying are only fully proven historical facts.

PM me links to these facts and truths if you wish but the matter/topic 'publicly' ends now.

TIA

Fahnenbohn · 09-29-15, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

PM me links to these facts and truths if you wish.

No problem, but all videos and presentations are in french.

UKönig · 09-29-15, 08:33 PM

If you really want something moving, try this one out

I warn you, it's not for the faint of heart!

ratatoeskr76 · 09-30-15, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Reinhard Hardegen

A sad day in the U-Boat history...

Operation Deadlight - German U-Boat Fleet Surrender 1945 - Derry/Londonderry N.Ireland

And Reinhard thank you for sharing this moving video. I'm happy that you don't actually see the U-Boats sinking...

Reinhard Hardegen · 04-21-17, 10:04 PM

Reinhard Hardegen · 04-21-17, 10:08 PM

Not German, but here is one of the Japanese I-400 Boats (one of the largest submaines of WWII)

Gilbou · 04-26-17, 08:22 PM

The other navies respected them.
Because of how young they were, their losses and because they kept the nazification out of their fleet.

They stand proud today. Untainted by the Reich and as soldiers.

09-29-15, 02:37 PM	#19
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I have a slightly different view. This is a thread about the surrender of the u-boats at the end of the war, in a forum about playing a u-boat game. I've re-read the thread several times now. I suggest that you do the same, then explain why this isn't taking place in General Topics, where it obviously belongs. Please keep the game forums on topic. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

09-29-15, 08:33 PM	#23
UKönig Captain Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 495 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	If you really want something moving, try this one out I warn you, it's not for the faint of heart! __________________ Because I'm the captain, that's why!

04-21-17, 10:04 PM	#25
Reinhard Hardegen Raiders of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: U-123 (CA7225) Posts: 495 Downloads: 255 Uploads: 0	__________________ A quote from Donitz; “The reason that the American Navy does so well in wartime is that war is chaos, and the Americans practice chaos on a daily basis.” “For the lessons one fails to learn during peacetime, one pays a high price in war.”

04-21-17, 10:08 PM	#26
Reinhard Hardegen Raiders of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: U-123 (CA7225) Posts: 495 Downloads: 255 Uploads: 0	Not German, but here is one of the Japanese I-400 Boats (one of the largest submaines of WWII) __________________ A quote from Donitz; “The reason that the American Navy does so well in wartime is that war is chaos, and the Americans practice chaos on a daily basis.” “For the lessons one fails to learn during peacetime, one pays a high price in war.”

04-26-17, 08:22 PM	#27
Gilbou Chief Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: France Posts: 313 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	The other navies respected them. Because of how young they were, their losses and because they kept the nazification out of their fleet. They stand proud today. Untainted by the Reich and as soldiers.