US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Dowly]

[Rockstar]

Had to laugh when I heard it said Trump called Haiti a ' ****hole' country. Ive been there more times than I care to count and I have to agree it is exactly as it he is said to have described it.

[Rockstar]

Even more of a laugh when Mudd comes out full tilt pandering mode even going so far to equating calling countries ****holes to mocking physical appearances of people.

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Geez liberals are upset over something a repub has done or said, whodathunkit!

[Méo]

Originally Posted by August

As far as relative desirability goes all else being equal (pay) i'd take a fruit picker over a fish packer job any day. If you have ever been downwind of a fish packing facility or a cannery you'd know why.

Alright, but I was not arguing about which is the worse job.

In my first post, I was simply pointing out that the situation is more complex than just getting them out of the country. It also comes with a drawback, which is a substantial lack of workforce in some industries.

Btw, there is a similar visa program here in Canada.

[August]

Originally Posted by Méo

Alright, but I was not arguing about which is the worse job.

Neither was I really.

In my first post, I was simply pointing out that the situation is more complex than just getting them out of the country. It also comes with a drawback, which is a substantial lack of workforce in some industries.

I agree with you but what you said was:

What you seem to forget is that they often do dirty and underpaid jobs that nobody wants.

The only part I disagree with there is the absolutism of it. It's not all migrant labor in those fields and factories. Fish packing plants in New Bedford as well as Californian orchards have American citizens working there right along side migrants in the same nasty conditions for the same crappy pay.

[STEED]

[Highbury]

Originally Posted by August

The only part I disagree with there is the absolutism of it. It's not all migrant labor in those fields and factories. Fish packing plants in New Bedford as well as Californian orchards have American citizens working there right along side migrants in the same nasty conditions for the same crappy pay.

Also, migrants from poorer countries are not always laborers. Many of then move to Western countries for better schooling, not just minimum wage jobs.

[Rockstar]

And as many here do where I live. Go on to find for themselves and family a better life, great opportunity and wealth. Just like my family did when they came to the U.S. from Norway

[August]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

And as many here do where I live. Go on to find for themselves and family a better life, great opportunity and wealth. Just like my family did when they came to the U.S. from Norway

As I imagine just about everyone's ancestors did, at least beside those who were brought here in chains, but it was a lot easier back then to accept masses of immigrants when there was a vast frontier to send them out to.
Nowadays immigrants have to fit into existing communities and therefore I think we should be a little more selective about who we let in.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by August

[...]
Nowadays immigrants have to fit into existing communities and therefore I think we should be a little more selective about who we let in.

Well the first settlers did not exactly fit into indian communities, so nowadays you sure got to be careful

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Well the first settlers did not exactly fit into indian communities, so nowadays you sure got to be careful

Exactly.

You cannot ignore several millennia of human nature and history just because of modern utopian notions. Large scale mixing of human societies has always caused strife and the more disparate they are the worse the clash, nor is the result equally bad for all sides.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Well the first settlers did not exactly fit into indian communities, so nowadays you sure got to be careful

Letting all those new immigrants in all willy nilly didn't work out so well for the Indians did it?

[August]

The first Uranium One indictment handed down and with a real Russian connection no less. Money laundering and wire fraud.

The Uranium One investigation centers on the Obama administration's clearing of a business deal that allowed a Russian nuclear firm to buy a Canadian uranium mining company with assets in the U.S.In the indictment, prosecutors accuse Lambert of hiding the payments to the Russian official by using code words such as “lucky figures,” “lucky numbers” and “cake.” The official Lambert was accused of bribing works at a subsidiary of Russia’s State Atomic Energy Corp.
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission told Congress in 2010 that no uranium at either facility purchased by the Russian company could be exported. Still, some of the uranium mined after the deal made it as far away as Europe, The Hill reported in November.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) said at the time that it was "disturbing" to see that some of the yellowcake uranium had made its way overseas despite promises from the U.S. government to the contrary.
"The more that surfaces about this deal, the more questions it raises," Grassley said in a statement.
"It now appears that despite pledges to the contrary, U.S. uranium made its way overseas as a part of the Uranium One deal," Grassley said in the statement. "What’s more disturbing, those transactions were apparently made possible by various Obama Administration agencies while the Democrat-controlled Congress turned a blind eye."

http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...ne-deal-report

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