UK Politics Thread

[STEED]

Labour's Jon Ashworth calls for £500m NHS winter bailout

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41397682



You can ask for one trillion and it will not make a scrap of differences until you count where every penny is spent on. There is corruption in the NHS and until that is dealt with nothing will change.

[STEED]

The Labour Party is making detailed plans for government, including "war-game-type scenario-planning" for events such as "a run on the pound".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41393021

So what, politicians only know how to lie cheat steal. They have no idea they are the puppets of big banks and business and as long as it remains that way the elite are happy.

Rule number one you do not bail out a bank that broke the law.

Rule number two too big to fail is a lie, again if they break the law they should fail.

Rule number three politicians do not understand rules one and two.

[STEED]

European Council president Donald Tusk has said not enough progress has been made to move to the next phase of Brexit talks in Brussels.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41389498

Where is this tiny progress for where I am sitting it looks like sweet flip all.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by STEED

[...] So what, politicians only know how to lie cheat steal. They have no idea they are the puppets of big banks and business and as long as it remains that way the elite are happy.

[...] Rule number two too big to fail is a lie, again if they break the law they should fail. [...]

In Europe, it is easy.
1. The people finance and build the infrastructure, like rails, streets, powergrid, telecommunication.
(It then theoretically belongs to the "state", the people.)
2. Lobby and influence on politics have it that those accomplishments are then being sold by the state, to private companies, often for a penny.
3. The private companies use what is there for profit, while doing no upgrading, repairing, and not any maintenance.
4. All decays, until it is almost unusable anymore, companies are beginning to suffer because their bosses took out the money and left.
5. Now the companies and banks are crying for funding and being bailed out.
6. Now is the time for the state to get it all back from private hands, and repair/improve/upgrade all that has been neglected so long to fill the pockets of a few.
7. What happens in 6. is financed by – you knew it – the people.

And so on, starting from new.
British rail anyone? Seen the film "Navigators" ?

The joke is that while all cry how good capitalism is and works, the real backbone of infrastructure and real estate is built and financed by common people without money, so that a few can live on their back.
Communism does not work, but it is time to see what capitalism does to the people in the long run.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

In Europe, it is easy.
1. The people finance and build the infrastructure, like rails, streets, powergrid, telecommunication.
(It then theoretically belongs to the "state", the people.)
2. Lobby and influence on politics have it that those accomplishments are then being sold by the state, to private companies, often for a penny.
3. The private companies use what is there for profit, while doing no upgrading, repairing, and not any maintenance.
4. All decays, until it is almost unusable anymore, companies are beginning to suffer because their bosses took out the money and left.
5. Now the companies and banks are crying for funding and being bailed out.
6. Now is the time for the state to get it all back from private hands, and repair/improve/upgrade all that has been neglected so long to fill the pockets of a few.
7. What happens in 6. is financed by – you knew it – the people.

And so on, starting from new.
British rail anyone? Seen the film "Navigators" ?

The joke is that while all cry how good capitalism is and works, the real backbone of infrastructure and real estate is built and financed by common people without money, so that a few can live on their back.
Communism does not work, but it is time to see what capitalism does to the people in the long run.

You mistake - once again - capitalism for monopolism. And that trend for monopolies you unfortunatekly have in just every form of society, goivernment, trading relations. Like the living being has an inbuild tendency to become old and ill and one day will die, it and nevertheless tries to fight against illness and thwe weakneing by age, we must also fight against monopolism. Its integral to ideologies as well as capitalism, and lives by the quality in man that we call greed. The remedies to counter it with, to keep it in check, are transpareny, an educating and training to freedom and self-responsibility. Only when people reject to hanhd over respoinsiubility for thmeselkves to others, they become invulnerable to these others' attempts to bribe them with luxury and promised easings of their lives. Transparency, freedom, self-responsibility - that is what is needed to fight against monopolies. And that means a population where peopel ahve a mindset of certain quality that today, in our nanny states and - in the end - socialist definitions of standards and social rules, have become extremely rare.

It starts with refusing to obediently believe that freedom can be given to you by somebody else. He cannot give you freedom, he can only forcefully take and keep freedom away from you. But if you then accept that and do not fight against this other guy, even support him, then what use is there in trying and hoping for a better world?

Servility is a pest. Freedom has its own pride, but we learn from schooldays on to defame it, to demonise it, to ridicule it, to spit on it.

Much of your criticsm I would sign in to, if only you would finally see that what you want to aim at, is not capitalism, but monopolism. The whole world seem to mistake these two today.

[Jimbuna]

European Council president Donald Tusk has said not enough progress has been made to move to the next phase of Brexit talks in Brussels.
He said Theresa May's "realistic" speech on Friday showed the UK's "philosophy of having a cake and eating it is finally coming to an end".
But he said "there is not sufficient progress yet".
Mrs May had hoped her offer of a two-year transition period after Brexit would unblock talks in Brussels.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41389498

Looks like he popped in for a quick cuppa whilst visiting to pick up his child benefit

[Jimbuna]

Jeremy Corbyn says it is "right to look at all these scenarios" after his shadow chancellor suggested that there could be a run on the pound if Labour went into government.
John McDonnell said Labour was doing "war-game-type scenario-planning" for events such as "a run on the pound".
He made the comments at a fringe event at the Labour conference.
A party spokesman said the preparations were for events that could occur under any government.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41393021

Too bloody true but even more so under a Labour government under the present leadership.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You mistake - once again - capitalism for monopolism. [...].

The first always ends in the latter.
Aggressive undercutting of rival firms.
Vertical integration.
The less governmental influence or regulation there is, the sooner it happens.
See Rockefeller, or the gilded age. Or see big oil, Microsoft, the car industry, now Facebook.
True, monopolies can be overcome by technological advances, as long as progress is not being hindered by the very companies who still want to sell their, and only their stuff. See: Oil and car industry.
But in the longer-lasting meantime, it is the common people who have to pay, and sometimes suffer.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41393021

Too bloody true but even more so under a Labour government under the present leadership.

Beat you, see post 7188.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41389498

Looks like he popped in for a quick cuppa whilst visiting to pick up his child benefit

Beat you, see post 7189.

[STEED]

In before jim again but don't worry jim will post this again.

Jeremy Corbyn is to tell supporters Labour is "on the threshold of power" and stands ready for government.
Addressing the party's conference in Brighton, he will say its general election showing has "put the Tories on notice", calling on ministers to "pull themselves together or make way".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41408150

I see it another way, clearly Mrs May was taken for a ride by her advisors at the time before they both stepped down after the bad result. But when you look at Neil Kinnock who was on course for a possible victory before that major gaff of a party which allowed the Tories to win he still did better than Jeremy Corbyn.

[STEED]

Jim..

Jeremy Corbyn's ready for government speech today 12:15pm miss it and miss a possible laugh.

I will be watching it and having a cuppa.

[Jimbuna]

I missed that but no doubt you'll update us

[STEED]

Long winded and nothing in it to suggest they are ready for government.

Keep the red flag flying...





UPDATE

Corbyn: Labour is on the 'threshold of power'

Not where I am sitting, way to much back slapping and didn't we do well. I got news for you the Tories will go full term and most likley win the next general election.

[STEED]

Boeing warned Bombardier dispute 'could jeopardise' future UK contracts

The Defence Secretary delivers a stark message to the US firm, the Government's strongest intervention in the Bombardier row yet.

http://news.sky.com/story/boeing-war...racts-11056096

Mrs May stuck in the middle on one side Boeing and on the other side the DUP. Maybe she should flash some leg Boeing's way.

[STEED]

UKIP will unveil its new leader on Friday at its party conference in Torquay, after a contest that has turned into a battle for the soul of the party.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41401153

I wonder if Catfish won.