[REL] Thomsen's Ships V3.1 is out! All credits to H.SIE (10/12/2008)

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Originally Posted by Sag75

So, I'd like know opinions by other people here!

Me too, but looks like just a couple of people are using the mod.

Nobody says anything in here.

[Graf Paper]

I've got this mod lined up in my GWX installation, PT, but I'm having a difficult time finishing my various SH3 installations.

I just rebuilt my computer with a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM this past weekend and have been working on completing a fresh installation of WinXP SP3 and all my software.

As it is, I skipped nearly everything else so I could go ahead and have SH3 to play. All my programming apps, graphics apps, and other games can wait until later. I MUST HAVE my SH3 now!

Once I do get GWX sorted out, I promise I'll give you a full report on my impressions of your ships mod.

[Sag75]

I tested some DDs attack tactics and jams.

The two DDs considered here (I report only Evart class and CaptainI class) approach you at 6-7kts instead of 10kts because they are zigzagging (but I saw a Clemson class turning at 10kts). When they start the straight run against you, the speed increase to 11-12kts, with small route adjustments. When they pass over you, they launch the DCs and accelerate to 15kts, and start the turn. Thus the speed drop to 6-7kts again, until they take an other linear run to intercept you.

If you launch a jam, the DD (I saw only the Evart class, about 1100tons) doesn't stop suddently and comes back but brakes from 10kts to 2-3kts in 30-45sec, then comes back at 2-3kts searching for you. When she understands it was a jam, she starts again the search speeding up to 6-7kts in about 1min.


Now some consideration: now could be more difficult evading the escort.. bacause DDs proceed at 6kts during the approach! So, they can hear you better ..but probably not :hmm:, because DD's propellers rpm is the same, 6kts are essentially due to the hull drag....

[IFRT-WHUFC]

I've just noticed that the ship NTIT_ is missing from my game can you tell me which ship it is? and where i might be able to find it?

Thanks
Rick

[java`s revenge]

I am testing this mod.

That what i have seen in bad weather is that the speed of your sub
is dropping. For example i have setted 10kts and some later it drops to
5/6 knots. But i see this as in real life.

Great mod !

[piri_reis]

Hi PT, The little time I tested this mod, it looks like the ships were having hard time turning. Eg: Even with full rudder the small escort out of Lorient made the turn with difficulty, lagging behind, not being able to escort me out properly.

Did the PQ17 single mission, after taking out a tanker in the middle of convoy, the 2 ships immediatly behind tried to avoid the slow sinking ship but couldnt turn in time, they kept backing up and coming close to the wreck and each other, convoy was way away when they were back on route.

All around good idea just needs some tweaking, I still need to test more, will be reporting again, obviously more results need to be heard by users of this mod.


IFRT-WHUFC, the ship is RMS Titanic by VonDos, check his shipyard thread.

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

I think that would be easier for you to install GWX and use mods (or mod yourself) the things you don't like, to fit your taste.

Example: With gwx installed, you don't like how the ships identify you too soon? Change the settings in sensors.cfg to fit your taste. You don't like how the destroyers have amazing precision with the deckgun? Change the settings in sim.cfg to fit your taste.

You are totally wrong about the 16km environment. The human eye can spot a ship up to 30 km distance. In the 8km environment, the crew will identify a ship between 5-6km distance, using binoculars. Are you kidding me?

If you prefer to change the ships yourself, here's the data you'll need to change.

Open each .sim file in S3D.


1. gc_height = 0,1
2. surface -> drag -> LR and UD = 0,75
3. propulsion = 10% of atual value (ex. 12000 = 1200)
4. rudder -> drag -> 0,02 for merchants and 0,03 for non-merchants.

1. That will assure more stability to ships
2. That will assure more stability to ships
3. That will make ships have more real maneuverability
4. That will make ships have more real maneuverability

thanks for your replay, i will change the values for myself. and i think you are right, i will give gwx a try and modifie it for my taste. the reason against this were my modding skills. when i wanted to modifie things in the past, i didnt know where to look for it. for example the sensors thingy: i was not sure if there is only one file (sensors.cfg) where changes are needed for editing the skills of the opponents watchcrews. but i think, its time to learn the file structures and edit things for my own taste. before i can take gwx as a base, i need skills about the campaigne files (for better performance). i will learn, when there are questions, i know lots of guys who will help

another point (i know it is OT, but give me one sentence ) is the distance of view: the limitation is not the human eyeball, it is the earth curvature and the hight of your position. there is a small rule of thumb for this: radical of your height in meter multiplied by 3.57

example: the bridges height of an u boat is 5 meters. radical of 5 is 2.2 multiplied by 3.57 is 7.9 km

if your target is higher, you can see it beyond the horizon (his masts). because of this, 9 km stock range is quite ok, i think.


greetz, Jaeger

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

The only thing I can do is to teach you how to change the files yourself.

If you prefer to change the ships yourself, here's the data you'll need to change.

Open each .sim file in S3D.


1. gc_height = 0,1
2. surface -> drag -> LR and UD = 0,75
3. propulsion = 10% of atual value (ex. 12000 = 1200)
4. rudder -> drag -> 0,02 for merchants and 0,03 for non-merchants.

1. That will assure more stability to ships
2. That will assure more stability to ships
3. That will make ships have more real maneuverability
4. That will make ships have more real maneuverability

so just to be clear on this:

1. controls the pitch and roll effect by changing the center of gravity
2. controls acceleration and slowing of ships by changing the ships drag
3. controls acceleration of ships by changing the engine power
4. controls turning radius of ships by changing the amount of drag the rudder has

am i understanding that correctly? :hmm:

and with #2 you changed it to (drag -> LR and UD = 0,75) and i want to understand how did you arrive at those numbers from (drag -> LR and UD = 1,0) because i might want to try a different setting and wish to understand it better to know what numbers to try

[johan_d]

Finally time to test.. left Lorient, saw no ill effects.. all seem normal.
Now in the open, hunting for prey.. will report back if we survive!

One of the best mods avail ? we shall see!

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Originally Posted by Graf Paper

I've got this mod lined up in my GWX installation, PT, but I'm having a difficult time finishing my various SH3 installations.

I just rebuilt my computer with a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM this past weekend and have been working on completing a fresh installation of WinXP SP3 and all my software.

As it is, I skipped nearly everything else so I could go ahead and have SH3 to play. All my programming apps, graphics apps, and other games can wait until later. I MUST HAVE my SH3 now!

Once I do get GWX sorted out, I promise I'll give you a full report on my impressions of your ships mod.

No problem, buddie! Hope you get your sh3 running asap!

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Originally Posted by Sag75

I tested some DDs attack tactics and jams.

The two DDs considered here (I report only Evart class and CaptainI class) approach you at 6-7kts instead of 10kts because they are zigzagging (but I saw a Clemson class turning at 10kts). When they start the straight run against you, the speed increase to 11-12kts, with small route adjustments. When they pass over you, they launch the DCs and accelerate to 15kts, and start the turn. Thus the speed drop to 6-7kts again, until they take an other linear run to intercept you.

If you launch a jam, the DD (I saw only the Evart class, about 1100tons) doesn't stop suddently and comes back but brakes from 10kts to 2-3kts in 30-45sec, then comes back at 2-3kts searching for you. When she understands it was a jam, she starts again the search speeding up to 6-7kts in about 1min.


Now some consideration: now could be more difficult evading the escort.. bacause DDs proceed at 6kts during the approach! So, they can hear you better ..but probably not :hmm:, because DD's propellers rpm is the same, 6kts are essentially due to the hull drag....

Yes.

If we get the final impression that the ships are losing too much speed on the turns, I'll have to cut back about 25% of the ship's drag, which will increase the roll and pitch. Let's see further ahead about this issue.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Originally Posted by IFRT-WHUFC

I've just noticed that the ship NTIT_ is missing from my game can you tell me which ship it is? and where i might be able to find it?

Thanks
Rick

That would be the RMS Titanic.

Search in the forum and you'll see the thread for it.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Originally Posted by java`s revenge

I am testing this mod.

That what i have seen in bad weather is that the speed of your sub
is dropping. For example i have setted 10kts and some later it drops to
5/6 knots. But i see this as in real life.

Great mod !

That depends. If you're using my Water Mod, your sub won't lose that much speed on a storm as in gwx. The wave sizes are much smaller.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Originally Posted by piri_reis

Hi PT, The little time I tested this mod, it looks like the ships were having hard time turning. Eg: Even with full rudder the small escort out of Lorient made the turn with difficulty, lagging behind, not being able to escort me out properly.

Did the PQ17 single mission, after taking out a tanker in the middle of convoy, the 2 ships immediatly behind tried to avoid the slow sinking ship but couldnt turn in time, they kept backing up and coming close to the wreck and each other, convoy was way away when they were back on route.

All around good idea just needs some tweaking, I still need to test more, will be reporting again, obviously more results need to be heard by users of this mod.


IFRT-WHUFC, the ship is RMS Titanic by VonDos, check his shipyard thread.

I think we can reduce the dragging by 25%. That way, the ships won't lose that much speed while turning, although the ships will roll and pitch 25% more.

About the small escort, I think I accidently traded her configuration for a merchant ships, so she have 33% less rudder effect. I'll fix that right away!

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

thanks for your replay, i will change the values for myself. and i think you are right, i will give gwx a try and modifie it for my taste. the reason against this were my modding skills. when i wanted to modifie things in the past, i didnt know where to look for it. for example the sensors thingy: i was not sure if there is only one file (sensors.cfg) where changes are needed for editing the skills of the opponents watchcrews. but i think, its time to learn the file structures and edit things for my own taste. before i can take gwx as a base, i need skills about the campaigne files (for better performance). i will learn, when there are questions, i know lots of guys who will help

another point (i know it is OT, but give me one sentence ) is the distance of view: the limitation is not the human eyeball, it is the earth curvature and the hight of your position. there is a small rule of thumb for this: radical of your height in meter multiplied by 3.57

example: the bridges height of an u boat is 5 meters. radical of 5 is 2.2 multiplied by 3.57 is 7.9 km

if your target is higher, you can see it beyond the horizon (his masts). because of this, 9 km stock range is quite ok, i think.

greetz, Jaeger

But you're missing the point here.

It's not the mast you spot, it's the huge amount of smoke coming out of the funnel, into the air.

In OLCE2, at 15km scene, most of the time I can't see the ship, but I can see a lot of smoke in the air.

Savvy?