US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Mr Quatro]

Another reason not to vote, uh? How many millions of people would that include?

Supreme Court can not be bought ... they are smart enough to see through this.

Fats Domino says it all:

[eddie]

My state is against getting involved with turning this info over to them. I am glad of that! Apparently they want to make our info public too, great! No chance of identity theft there! They want to go back to check how a person voted too, since 2000, unreal,lol

[em2nought]

Just doing what he was sent there to do. Tired of getting fiscal responsibility beaten by the votes of dead people.

[em2nought]

Maybe the question should have been "Will CNN make it to 2020?"

[August]

Originally Posted by eddie

They want to go back to check how a person voted too, since 2000, unreal,lol

And just how would they do that? Ever put your name on a ballot? They're secret you know so while they may be able to tell who voted they can't tell HOW they voted.

[Platapus]

Since all this information is already given to the political parties as well as used in other social sciences research, I am not seeing a particular problem.

The only private thing about voting is who you vote for. When you voted,where you voted, your voting history and your voter registration information has been available.

But I agree. With the current paranoid attitude about the government, I am sure this will dissuade even more people from registering to vote. And that's not what we need.

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Just doing what he was sent there to do. Tired of getting fiscal responsibility beaten by the votes of dead people.

You gotta be joking..., I mean I haven't followed too closely, but IIRC the proposed budget had calculation error of 2 trillion $ in it. How can you be fiscally responisble, if can't even get the math right? Besides the GOP loves spending as much as the Dems, they just want to spend on different things

[Jimbuna]

US political thread reopened and two other related topics merged.

Can I respectfully ask that we all refrain from personal attacks etc. etc.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by vienna

This is a bit disturbing:

Trump’s voter-fraud commission wants to know voting history, party ID and address of every voter in the U.S. --

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ad0ae25c549c


Given the disarray and disorganization of the Trump administration, and given the recent breaches of data security, it does not seem the best of ideas to assemble such a mass of data in a centralized locale in what could be a highly questionable state of security and responsibility. Further, given the rather highly rabid partisan bent at the White House, turning over such data to such questionable entities is, at the least, seemingly unwise. At least one state's top election official seems to have this view:

Sad to say, there was little trust in the government before and there is muc less today...
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Don't go off just yet,

The letter, sent to the secretaries of state of all 50 states and obtained by The Hill, directs states to turn over “publicly-available voter roll data including, if publicly available under the laws of your state, the full first and last names of all registrants, middle names or initials if available, addresses, dates of birth, political party (if recorded in your state), last four digits of social security number if available, [and] voter history from 2006 onward.”

most of that information they are requesting is not publicly avialable

[Platapus]

I feel we do need some type of intra-state voter registration database. Especially these days when it is much more common for people to move around between states, the old state-centric record keeping may be obsolete.

Personally, I think the appropriate solution is for the individual states to develop their own inter-state data sharing schema without involving the federal government. But if the states are unable or unwilling to do so, I guess it is up to the Federal Government.

Protip to the state governments: If you don't come up with solutions for problems, the federal government will be more than happy to take that responsibility and power away from you.

It is not so much a case of the federal government taking power away from the states as much as a case of the states giving power to the federal government.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I feel we do need some type of intra-state voter registration database. Especially these days when it is much more common for people to move around between states, the old state-centric record keeping may be obsolete.

Personally, I think the appropriate solution is for the individual states to develop their own inter-state data sharing schema without involving the federal government. But if the states are unable or unwilling to do so, I guess it is up to the Federal Government.

Protip to the state governments: If you don't come up with solutions for problems, the federal government will be more than happy to take that responsibility and power away from you.

It is not so much a case of the federal government taking power away from the states as much as a case of the states giving power to the federal government.

That's the thing, there really isn't a problem, there are anomalies of course. but the inherent protection in our voter system is the fact that the system has over 3000 different points of control which makes it impossible (currently) to steal or effect anything beyond a county election.

This is why the brouhaha over the Russians hacking efforts are more amusing than alarming.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

Besides the GOP loves spending as much as the Dems, they just want to spend on different things

I absolutely agree, and that is probably a big part of why an "outsider" won the election. I even wish he was frugal in the vein of Warren Buffett, but what can you do.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by MaDef

That's the thing, there really isn't a problem, there are anomalies of course. but the inherent protection in our voter system is the fact that the system has over 3000 different points of control which makes it impossible (currently) to steal or effect anything beyond a county election.

This is why the brouhaha over the Russians hacking efforts are more amusing than alarming.

We should demand that Russia turn that information over right now, along with any list of hackers that already know that information or at least will know as soon as it is all in one unsafe place

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

We should demand that Russia turn that information over right now, along with any list of hackers that already know that information or at least will know as soon as it is all in one unsafe place

what good will that do? You may as well consider info from Illinois & Arizona public. And if you live in those states, you would be prudent to take what measures you need to to prevent ID theft.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by MaDef

what good will that do? You may as well consider info from Illinois & Arizona public. And if you live in those states, you would be prudent to take what measures you need to to prevent ID theft.

I was just kidding ... the Russians will do name matching though after they hack Trump's list and that's the truth.