US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 321

u crank · 06-10-18, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Let us please put things in perspective.

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For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation.

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We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

...from the statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System. July 5, 2016.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-e-mail-system

So here we have a person who has been in the US political system most of her adult life. First Lady of Arkansas, First Lady of USA, two time Presidential candidate for Democratic Party, US Senator for State of NY, and Secratary of State in Obama administration. To pretend that having a private, unsecured email server for convieniece is ok and to pretend not to know about security classifications is not honest. Call it what you like.

Having a private email server means her emails are not subjected to Freedom of Information Act scrutiny. Can you guess why?

Catfish · 06-10-18, 11:35 AM

"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."

So?

"Trump referred to her communication with the FBI "on the Fourth of July weekend" during the campaign. There is no transcript of the interview that FBI agents had with with Clinton on July 2, 2016, about her email usage in what her campaign described as a "voluntary interview."
Comey was not present for the discussion. But he spoke for the agency five days later when House members quizzed him about what happened in a hearing.
Rep. Gerald Connolly, D-Va., explicitly asked Comey if Clinton lied to the FBI in that interview.
Comey’s response: "I have no basis for concluding that she was untruthful with us."
During a line of questioning with then-Rep. Mick Mulvaney, R-S.C., Comey reiterated, "We do not have a basis for concluding she lied to the FBI."
Here’s another exchange with then-Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, in which Comey repeatedly said he was not aware of any FBI case in which Clinton lied."

And so on. So, after all there is no legal right to call her a liar. The only liar who lies so often that no one even seems to notice it anymore, is Trump.

August · 06-10-18, 11:39 AM

18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

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Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

Catfish · 06-10-18, 12:06 PM

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18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

So where is the official and legal accusation, with evidence, that she did exactly that?

August · 06-10-18, 03:46 PM

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So where is the official and legal accusation, with evidence, that she did exactly that?

Are you serious? Literally 1000's of official emails many classified transmitted off from government networks onto a secret unauthorized mail server that was hidden in a residence.

Then she had them destroyed after they were subpoenaed. You see obstruction of justice in Trumps mere suggestion that Comey go easy on Flynn if possible yet you don't see it in destroying subpoenaed evidence?

em2nought · 06-10-18, 04:43 PM

If (BIG IF what with the Deep State, Military Industrial Complex, and D.C. swamp) Trump can turn us around from the disaster where we were headed he's going to rank ahead of Lincoln, and only behind Washington in the history books. Think about that.

Platapus · 06-11-18, 06:34 PM

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If (BIG IF what with the Deep State, Military Industrial Complex, and D.C. swamp) Trump can turn us around from the disaster where we were headed he's going to rank ahead of Lincoln, and only behind Washington in the history books. Think about that.

You wish for that, while I wish for a pony for my birthday. They both have approximately the same chance of happening.

August · 06-11-18, 06:49 PM

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I wish for a pony for my birthday.

Quoted for posterity.

JU_88 · 06-12-18, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

So where is the official and legal accusation, with evidence, that she did exactly that?

grab some popcorn

Platapus · 06-13-18, 10:30 AM

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Quoted for posterity.

It is in May. Last may, I did not get a pony either.

Rockstar · 06-13-18, 03:06 PM

And so it begins

Catfish · 06-13-18, 03:13 PM

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And so it begins

You know what frightens me? That Dump has so such success among US citizens.

Though i think this one is fake news. But who knows, this idiot is unpredictable.

Dowly · 06-13-18, 04:05 PM

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And so it begins

No such tweet exists on his account.

Rockstar · 06-13-18, 04:32 PM

https://faketrumptweet.com/fake-twee...67yrn3_1chzz5i

. Have fun

Platapus · 06-13-18, 05:38 PM

As unbalanced as Trump is, I would not have been surprised if that was an actual tweet.

06-10-18, 11:35 AM	#4802
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information." So? "Trump referred to her communication with the FBI "on the Fourth of July weekend" during the campaign. There is no transcript of the interview that FBI agents had with with Clinton on July 2, 2016, about her email usage in what her campaign described as a "voluntary interview." Comey was not present for the discussion. But he spoke for the agency five days later when House members quizzed him about what happened in a hearing. Rep. Gerald Connolly, D-Va., explicitly asked Comey if Clinton lied to the FBI in that interview. Comey’s response: "I have no basis for concluding that she was untruthful with us." During a line of questioning with then-Rep. Mick Mulvaney, R-S.C., Comey reiterated, "We do not have a basis for concluding she lied to the FBI." Here’s another exchange with then-Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, in which Comey repeatedly said he was not aware of any FBI case in which Clinton lied." And so on. So, after all there is no legal right to call her a liar. The only liar who lies so often that no one even seems to notice it anymore, is Trump. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

06-10-18, 04:43 PM	#4806
em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,278 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If (BIG IF what with the Deep State, Military Industrial Complex, and D.C. swamp) Trump can turn us around from the disaster where we were headed he's going to rank ahead of Lincoln, and only behind Washington in the history books. Think about that. __________________ Looks like we need a Lemon Law for Presidents now! DNC sold us a dud, and they knew it.

06-13-18, 03:06 PM	#4811
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,856 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And so it begins __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

06-13-18, 04:32 PM	#4814
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,856 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	https://faketrumptweet.com/fake-twee...67yrn3_1chzz5i . Have fun __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

06-13-18, 05:38 PM	#4815
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,963 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	As unbalanced as Trump is, I would not have been surprised if that was an actual tweet. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.