USS Fitzgerald Collision

Gargamel · 06-17-17, 04:56 PM

Surprised nobodies started a thread on this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40314128

7 sailors still missing.

Whats goofy is the track of the merchant vessel. 20 minutes before the collision it pulls a U turn, hits the Fitz, and then heads back the way it was going? "Ooops sorry, I was texting and boating!".

I'm not assigning blame here, that's just... weird. I mean, a missile destroyer with those huge expensive radar systems probably should have seen it coming.

Mr Quatro · 06-17-17, 05:03 PM

I feel sorry for those seven (7) missing sailors in the middle of the night no less.

Glad this wasn't the narrow straits in Iran with an Iranian shipping container vessel.

06-17-17, 08:56 PM

I am baffled this happened. I mean, what the Hell went wrong on the Fitzgerald!? Radar, ESM, night vision optics, well trained and supervised crew (in theory), so how is it possible to collide with a container ship!?

Too bad about the loss of life though. I mean, at this point, 7 missing... there's no real chance to find survivors, unfortunately.

Whoever is responsible, he won't ever sleep well again.

mako88sb · 06-17-17, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

I am baffled this happened. I mean, what the Hell went wrong on the Fitzgerald!? Radar, ESM, night vision optics, well trained and supervised crew (in theory), so how is it possible to collide with a container ship!?

Too bad about the loss of life though. I mean, at this point, 7 missing... there's no real chance to find survivors, unfortunately.

Whoever is responsible, he won't ever sleep well again.

Sounds like the missing have been found. Sad outcome:
http://www.c7f.navy.mil/Media/News/D...-june-18-2017/

Mr Quatro · 06-18-17, 12:25 AM

One news report said all seven were found in a berthing compartment on the side that was hit and another one said that the search was still on.

Another clue is that the CO was on the bridge and has been transfered to a Navy hospital with injuries.

Jimbuna · 06-18-17, 06:35 AM

A very serious business.

Respects and condolences to those who were lost.

The results of the enquiry will hopefully mean less chance of such a tragedy happening again.

Rockstar · 06-17-17, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gargamel

Surprised nobodies started a thread on this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40314128

7 sailors still missing.

Whats goofy is the track of the merchant vessel. 20 minutes before the collision it pulls a U turn, hits the Fitz, and then heads back the way it was going? "Ooops sorry, I was texting and boating!".

I'm not assigning blame here, that's just... weird. I mean, a missile destroyer with those huge expensive radar systems probably should have seen it coming.

It was the mids so its possible there was an inexperienced Navy JO on watch coupled with the civilian ship usually being highly automated, its bridge watch minimally manned. Id wager human error, more specifically the reliance on todays technological wizardry by both parties is going to be the main contributing factor in this collision. Container ships of that size just dont make sudden u-turns and come at ya. It takes a lot of time to bring those beasties about. But if you rely on a radar plot you may not see those changes in bearing and range to target develope into a risk of collision until its too late. Then there is the dilemma every JO faces that can burn precious minutes away, do I call the captain? I doubt the civilian ship even knew the Navy boat was even there. Oh Im sure his RADAR's collision alarm was blaring away (if it was properly tuned) but those guys dont look out the window much until it does.

The best and most reliable navigation system on any ship is the seamans eye. It could have recognized the warning signs much earlier than any radar.

Mr Quatro · 06-17-17, 10:49 PM

This will be interesting to follow and see what really happened.

I thought CIC was manned at all times ... not just for combat. All it would take is a simple grease pencil plot on the bridge radar scope to determine range was closing and speed should be increased.

but it was the middle of the night and I suppose in shipping lanes so we wait for the blame game. This particular missile destroyer had missiles that could intercept North Korean missiles even in outer space.

She's going to be out of service for a long time ...

Onkel Neal · 06-18-17, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gargamel

Surprised nobodies started a thread on this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40314128

7 sailors still missing.

Whats goofy is the track of the merchant vessel. 20 minutes before the collision it pulls a U turn, hits the Fitz, and then heads back the way it was going? "Ooops sorry, I was texting and boating!".

I'm not assigning blame here, that's just... weird. I mean, a missile destroyer with those huge expensive radar systems probably should have seen it coming.

I'm thinking the same thing. How was it possible for this to happen??

em2nought · 06-18-17, 07:44 PM

These two will finally have to give up their #1 spot.

vienna · 06-19-17, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I'm thinking the same thing. How was it possible for this to happen??

I would refer back to the USS Stark incident in 1987:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident

It was a likewise situation in which a modern armed US naval vessel with, at that time, very current detection and surveillance systems and, in the case of the Stark, capabilities to fend off attack. Personally, the whole "official" story of the Stark doesn't pass the smell and I rather expect the Fitzgerald's final analysis could very well have a bit of "odor"...

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Rockstar · 08-21-17, 09:45 AM

http://www.live5news.com/story/36177...ait-of-malacca

Jeebus whatever happened to calling the captain when CPA was inside the 2 mile 'bubble'. Right of way or not Never ever cross the bow of another ship. We need to start licensing these ring knockers.

Jimbuna · 08-21-17, 09:59 AM

Threads merged.

Platapus · 08-21-17, 03:47 PM

Must have been one of them stealth tankers sneaking up on the naval ship.

Forgive a lubber question but they still do have manned lookouts don't they?

I would have thought that someone would have casually mentioned that a almost 10,000 ton floaty thing was pretty close.

Von Due · 08-21-17, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Must have been one of them stealth tankers sneaking up on the naval ship.

Forgive a lubber question but they still do have manned lookouts don't they?

I would have thought that someone would have casually mentioned that a almost 10,000 ton floaty thing was pretty close.

Another ship around a busy port? Chance in a million.

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Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I feel sorry for those seven (7) missing sailors in the middle of the night no less. Glad this wasn't the narrow straits in Iran with an Iranian shipping container vessel. __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

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Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	One news report said all seven were found in a berthing compartment on the side that was hit and another one said that the search was still on. Another clue is that the CO was on the bridge and has been transfered to a Navy hospital with injuries. __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,217 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	A very serious business. Respects and condolences to those who were lost. The results of the enquiry will hopefully mean less chance of such a tragedy happening again. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

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Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This will be interesting to follow and see what really happened. I thought CIC was manned at all times ... not just for combat. All it would take is a simple grease pencil plot on the bridge radar scope to determine range was closing and speed should be increased. but it was the middle of the night and I suppose in shipping lanes so we wait for the blame game. This particular missile destroyer had missiles that could intercept North Korean missiles even in outer space. She's going to be out of service for a long time ... __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

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06-17-17, 04:56 PM	#1
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,272 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	USS Fitzgerald Collision Surprised nobodies started a thread on this. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40314128 7 sailors still missing. Whats goofy is the track of the merchant vessel. 20 minutes before the collision it pulls a U turn, hits the Fitz, and then heads back the way it was going? "Ooops sorry, I was texting and boating!". I'm not assigning blame here, that's just... weird. I mean, a missile destroyer with those huge expensive radar systems probably should have seen it coming. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

06-17-17, 08:56 PM	#3
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I am baffled this happened. I mean, what the Hell went wrong on the Fitzgerald!? Radar, ESM, night vision optics, well trained and supervised crew (in theory), so how is it possible to collide with a container ship!? Too bad about the loss of life though. I mean, at this point, 7 missing... there's no real chance to find survivors, unfortunately. Whoever is responsible, he won't ever sleep well again.

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Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,840 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	USS John S McCain collision with merchent ship http://www.live5news.com/story/36177...ait-of-malacca Jeebus whatever happened to calling the captain when CPA was inside the 2 mile 'bubble'. Right of way or not Never ever cross the bow of another ship. We need to start licensing these ring knockers. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,951 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Must have been one of them stealth tankers sneaking up on the naval ship. Forgive a lubber question but they still do have manned lookouts don't they? I would have thought that someone would have casually mentioned that a almost 10,000 ton floaty thing was pretty close. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.