Subsim Higgins PT-Boat Model contest - Page 12

nikimcbee · 05-21-12, 01:07 AM

Don't forget these videos:

Alex · 05-21-12, 05:22 PM

Thanks a lot for these pictures, Niki.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

What are you planning next to model?

The helm, radar, radar mast and support, as well as all vents and hatches. But most of them are different from one another. I'll see if I need to ask you for some pics of them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Don't forget these videos:

That will help me quite a bit. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, NikiMcBee.

From what I see in that video, I can say I won't be back before some time.

nikimcbee · 05-28-12, 09:20 AM

Gun tub details:

Starboard gun tub

Port GT

port gt

05-30-12, 04:36 AM

Looking good so far Alex.

I'll be finishing up the Demo job in Dayton in the next day or so and will be back to work on the model then.

The Hull textures you see so far are NOT final and are only used as a placer texture at this time.
Proper UV work will be done when it's time critical.
Right now doing the 3D modeling work is priority.

Alex · 05-30-12, 02:45 PM

Very cool shots, Niki, thanks a lot !

@ Privateer : Thank you.

Wishing you all the best with this demo job !

Charlielima · 06-02-12, 11:19 AM

For the boats painters:
http://www.ptboatworld.com/PT_Boat_I...amouflage.html
V/R, CL

Charlielima · 06-02-12, 11:25 AM

If torps are a barrier there are PTGBs.
http://www.ptboatworld.com/Photo%20Albums/photos2.htm
V/R, CL

indy · 06-08-12, 03:59 AM

PT boats: Weapons of war

Daring and dashing, PT boats play a pivotal role in Pacific warfare
Tuesday, August 09, 2005
TED MAHAR
If destroyers were the greyhounds of the sea, PT boats must have been the terriers -- the mutt terriers.
Patrol torpedo boats performed invaluable service and fought at closer ranges than any other combat craft. Some collided with Japanese armed barges in furious night skirmishes.
In the Pacific island-hopping campaign, U.S. forces often bypassed Japanese island bases, and it was often the PT boats' chore to keep the bypassed islands from being supplied or evacuated.
The dashing little craft were conceived for one purpose but more often served another. Their popular image, idealized in John Ford's 1945 film "They Were Expendable," was a bold craft with bolder crews dashing headlong at enemy warships, firing torpedoes and dashing out amid geysers of enemy fire. In fact, some PT boats did attack big ships.
More often they slipped out at night, parked on the anticipated course of Japanese ships or barge convoys, and waited. Some crews even removed two or all four of their torpedo tubes to pile on weapons used at more intimate ranges: light and heavy machine guns, and 40 mm cannons. When their radar picked up targets, they roared in firing, wreaking as much havoc as possible, and roared out.
Their great speed -- 45 mph or so, if the engines were running perfectly -- often served them better in withdrawal than attack.
A tactical advantage
PT boats succeeded because Japanese coastal vessels lacked radar, which would have neutralized the PT advantages of stealth and speed.
Albert McCready, a retired managing editor of The Oregonian who died in July 2003, was a PT quartermaster. He was among the Save the PT Boat Inc. group that restored Portland's PT 658.
"When I was on them, I hated them," McCready said during the restoration. "Thought I was going to get killed. But in retrospect, when we were doing 40 knots on a calm sea and throwing a rooster tail, that was something to see."
But mostly, he described his experience as harrowing and hungry. “We were at the absolute tail end of every supply line,” he said. He recalled that they resorted to screwball comedy chicanery to supplement their supplies by conning or even stealing materiel from the Army, Marine or Navy supply ships or shore installations.
The Pacific war covered great swaths of areas as the Allies steadily closed in on Japan. Bases continually were established farther up the line. In late 1945 bases for PT boats were scheduled for Okinawa for the vessels to fight in the planned invasion of Japan. The bases were cancelled after the two atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and Japan agreed to surrender on Aug. 14.

A small, fast force
It’s surprising in one way that only two films have been made about PT boats, “Expendable” and 1964’s “PT-109.” PT boat logs could supply spectacle, adventure, action and drama aplenty for the movies. The 60,000 to 64,000 crewmen were all volunteers for close-in fighting in fragile craft in environments made hostile by the enemy and nature. PT boat combat casualties were 331.
But by 1947, the U.S. Navy had no more PT boats. More than 100 were burned off a beach at Samar, Philippines. Some were scrapped, some were sold through brokers, and many were given to allies, including China, South Korea and the Soviet Union.
The boats in “PT-109” were a smaller craft called crash boats, also called crash/rescue boats, modified to look like PT boats. Crash boats were also used in 1965’s “In Harms Way” and the TV comedy series “McHales Navy.”
McReady, astonishingly said that “McHales Navy” was a truer picture of PT boat base life than most people would imagine.
Beach life was about as raucous as we could make it,” McReady said. “We drank everything we could get our hands on, which wasn’t very much. We raised all the hell we could to forget about what we did last night and distract us from what we were going to do tonight.”
Ted Mahar: 503-221-8228 tedmahar@news.oregonian.com

Information Panel on RH side of Illustration
UP AGAINST GOLIATHS
Pound for pound, PT boats were among the most heavily armed boats of WWII. They could sink ships many times their size using torpedoes, but PT boats found their niche attacking enemy supply and troop barges, in covert operations or rescuing downed pilots. They were regularly sent on missions deemed too risky for larger ships.
WHY WOOD?
Mahogany-planked hulls were lighter than steel, making them fast- more than 40 knots- and maneuverable. Mahogany was also easily repaired- a bullet hole which would splinter other wood could simply be plugged with a wooden dowel. The make-up of a typical section of the boats hull consists of the following layers:
· 5/8’ Mahogany exterior hull planking
· Glue-impregnated canvas for waterproofing
· 1/2 “ mahogany strips on the interior
PT BOAT BUILDERS
Three companies built PT boats for the U.S. Navy. All were wooden-hulled, powered by three Packard V-12 engines and had similar dimensions, armament, and performance.

Higgins Industries Boatworks
PT658 was built by Higgins and was one of its last PT boats built. Higgins boats saw service primarily in the European theater, with lesser numbers operating in the Pacific theater; 199 PT boats were built at the Higgins boatworks in New Orleans. PT658 is the only fully restored and operational U.S. Navy PT boat remaining.
Higgins 78’
· Type: PT boat (patrol, torpedo)
· Length: 78 feet, 6 inches
· Beam: 20 feet, 1 inch
· Displacement: 48 tons
· Speed: 40 knots (46mph)
Electric Boat Company (Elco)
The Bayonne, N.J. company built the most PT boats, 299 boats. Longer and faster than the others, they generally saw service with Pacific PT boat squadrons.
Huckins Yacht Works
This Jacksonville, Fla., company built only 18 boats. The boats did not perform as well as the others and did not see widespread use.

PT BOAT LOSSES
According to PT Boats, Inc., 69 of the 531 PT boats in service were lost during WWII:
· Accident, friendly fire, sea conditions: 22
· Destroyed to prevent capture: 21
· Rammed: 2
· Kamikaze: 2
· Other: 3
· Mine: 4
· Shore Battery: 5
· Aircraft: 5
· Ship: 5

WHERE TO SEE PT658
The boat will take part in Fort Vancouver’s historic review of the end of WWII, Aug. 26-28. For more information, visit Save the PT Boats’ Web site:
www.savetheptboatinc.com
Sources: Save the PT Boat Inc.; “Squadron/Signal Publications; PT Boats” United States PT Boats of World War II”; PT Boats Inc.; Naval Historical Center

Here is the cutaway drawing of PT658 from this article :

Here is a drawing of the Mark 13 torpedo and the Packard engine from this article:

Neat page on PT Boats. Indy

http://www.savetheptboatinc.com/new_page_1.htm

Sailor Steve · 06-08-12, 06:19 AM

@ Indy: Please do not quote entire articles. They tend to be copywrited. Post the first paragraph only and a link to the rest. We've had authors complain about this before.

nikimcbee · 06-11-12, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Very cool shots, Niki, thanks a lot !

@ Privateer : Thank you.

Wishing you all the best with this demo job !

Looks Great! Keep up the good work!

Alex · 06-15-12, 03:29 PM

Thanks a lot, Niki.
Here's a few more pics. Slowly taking shape...

@ Captain Niki : In case you've got some pics featuring a bottom view of the radar itself, I'd like to see them - just in case some neat detail needs to appear on the bottom face of the radar. As well as some shots of the control panel on deck, please.

Hylander_1314 · 06-15-12, 03:32 PM

That Higgins boat is really lookin' great guys! She's gonna be awful perty when she's done!

06-16-12, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

That Higgins boat is really lookin' great guys! She's gonna be awful perty when she's done!

That's the goal.
To make it really outstanding as a player controlled Unit.

I've been really busy with real life work and have no portable system to take on the road so am behind in actuall work on this.

Once I receive the BIG checks from all this time away from home?
I'll have a new NoteBook.

I should also have nearly a month off before I travel to the next big job in Wisconsin.
That's a Resort in Glacier Canyon.

Hylander_1314 · 06-16-12, 05:51 PM

Sounds good Privateer!

I only hope the game will handle a nice piece of work like this without becoming a slideshow, or needing a couple Terrabyte video cards linked to run her with all details!

06-18-12, 01:03 PM

If the parts are split up correctly, there should be no real issues.
I've looked at the faces count for existing Subs in SH4 and We can easily work with those numbers.

The Hull and common parts would be in the Submarine folder.
The bridge would be the Conning Tower so would be in the Objects folder.
All Weapons should be placed in the correct folders also.

This will allow further versions of the Bridge and Weapons systems for different versions of the Higgins, like the Gun Boat version.

05-21-12, 01:07 AM	#166
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,925 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Don't forget these videos: __________________

05-28-12, 09:20 AM	#168
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,925 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Gun tub details: Starboard gun tub Port GT port gt port gt __________________

05-30-12, 02:45 PM	#170
Alex Dominant Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,143 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Very cool shots, Niki, thanks a lot ! @ Privateer : Thank you. Wishing you all the best with this demo job ! __________________ Last edited by Alex; 05-30-12 at 08:49 PM.

06-02-12, 11:19 AM	#171
Charlielima Gunner Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Schnell Boote Land Posts: 97 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	For the boats painters: http://www.ptboatworld.com/PT_Boat_I...amouflage.html V/R, CL __________________

06-02-12, 11:25 AM	#172
Charlielima Gunner Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Schnell Boote Land Posts: 97 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	If torps are a barrier there are PTGBs. http://www.ptboatworld.com/Photo%20Albums/photos2.htm V/R, CL __________________

05-30-12, 04:36 AM	#169
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Looking good so far Alex. I'll be finishing up the Demo job in Dayton in the next day or so and will be back to work on the model then. The Hull textures you see so far are NOT final and are only used as a placer texture at this time. Proper UV work will be done when it's time critical. Right now doing the 3D modeling work is priority.

06-08-12, 03:59 AM	#173
indy Helmsman Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 500 Ft. Below the Surface Posts: 105 Downloads: 883 Uploads: 0	RE:Higgins PT-boat PT boats: Weapons of war Daring and dashing, PT boats play a pivotal role in Pacific warfare Tuesday, August 09, 2005 TED MAHAR If destroyers were the greyhounds of the sea, PT boats must have been the terriers -- the mutt terriers. Patrol torpedo boats performed invaluable service and fought at closer ranges than any other combat craft. Some collided with Japanese armed barges in furious night skirmishes. In the Pacific island-hopping campaign, U.S. forces often bypassed Japanese island bases, and it was often the PT boats' chore to keep the bypassed islands from being supplied or evacuated. The dashing little craft were conceived for one purpose but more often served another. Their popular image, idealized in John Ford's 1945 film "They Were Expendable," was a bold craft with bolder crews dashing headlong at enemy warships, firing torpedoes and dashing out amid geysers of enemy fire. In fact, some PT boats did attack big ships. More often they slipped out at night, parked on the anticipated course of Japanese ships or barge convoys, and waited. Some crews even removed two or all four of their torpedo tubes to pile on weapons used at more intimate ranges: light and heavy machine guns, and 40 mm cannons. When their radar picked up targets, they roared in firing, wreaking as much havoc as possible, and roared out. Their great speed -- 45 mph or so, if the engines were running perfectly -- often served them better in withdrawal than attack. A tactical advantage PT boats succeeded because Japanese coastal vessels lacked radar, which would have neutralized the PT advantages of stealth and speed. Albert McCready, a retired managing editor of The Oregonian who died in July 2003, was a PT quartermaster. He was among the Save the PT Boat Inc. group that restored Portland's PT 658. "When I was on them, I hated them," McCready said during the restoration. "Thought I was going to get killed. But in retrospect, when we were doing 40 knots on a calm sea and throwing a rooster tail, that was something to see." But mostly, he described his experience as harrowing and hungry. “We were at the absolute tail end of every supply line,” he said. He recalled that they resorted to screwball comedy chicanery to supplement their supplies by conning or even stealing materiel from the Army, Marine or Navy supply ships or shore installations. The Pacific war covered great swaths of areas as the Allies steadily closed in on Japan. Bases continually were established farther up the line. In late 1945 bases for PT boats were scheduled for Okinawa for the vessels to fight in the planned invasion of Japan. The bases were cancelled after the two atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and Japan agreed to surrender on Aug. 14. A small, fast force It’s surprising in one way that only two films have been made about PT boats, “Expendable” and 1964’s “PT-109.” PT boat logs could supply spectacle, adventure, action and drama aplenty for the movies. The 60,000 to 64,000 crewmen were all volunteers for close-in fighting in fragile craft in environments made hostile by the enemy and nature. PT boat combat casualties were 331. But by 1947, the U.S. Navy had no more PT boats. More than 100 were burned off a beach at Samar, Philippines. Some were scrapped, some were sold through brokers, and many were given to allies, including China, South Korea and the Soviet Union. The boats in “PT-109” were a smaller craft called crash boats, also called crash/rescue boats, modified to look like PT boats. Crash boats were also used in 1965’s “In Harms Way” and the TV comedy series “McHales Navy.” McReady, astonishingly said that “McHales Navy” was a truer picture of PT boat base life than most people would imagine. Beach life was about as raucous as we could make it,” McReady said. “We drank everything we could get our hands on, which wasn’t very much. We raised all the hell we could to forget about what we did last night and distract us from what we were going to do tonight.” Ted Mahar: 503-221-8228 tedmahar@news.oregonian.com Information Panel on RH side of Illustration UP AGAINST GOLIATHS Pound for pound, PT boats were among the most heavily armed boats of WWII. They could sink ships many times their size using torpedoes, but PT boats found their niche attacking enemy supply and troop barges, in covert operations or rescuing downed pilots. They were regularly sent on missions deemed too risky for larger ships. WHY WOOD? Mahogany-planked hulls were lighter than steel, making them fast- more than 40 knots- and maneuverable. Mahogany was also easily repaired- a bullet hole which would splinter other wood could simply be plugged with a wooden dowel. The make-up of a typical section of the boats hull consists of the following layers: · 5/8’ Mahogany exterior hull planking · Glue-impregnated canvas for waterproofing · 1/2 “ mahogany strips on the interior PT BOAT BUILDERS Three companies built PT boats for the U.S. Navy. All were wooden-hulled, powered by three Packard V-12 engines and had similar dimensions, armament, and performance. Higgins Industries Boatworks PT658 was built by Higgins and was one of its last PT boats built. Higgins boats saw service primarily in the European theater, with lesser numbers operating in the Pacific theater; 199 PT boats were built at the Higgins boatworks in New Orleans. PT658 is the only fully restored and operational U.S. Navy PT boat remaining. Higgins 78’ · Type: PT boat (patrol, torpedo) · Length: 78 feet, 6 inches · Beam: 20 feet, 1 inch · Displacement: 48 tons · Speed: 40 knots (46mph) Electric Boat Company (Elco) The Bayonne, N.J. company built the most PT boats, 299 boats. Longer and faster than the others, they generally saw service with Pacific PT boat squadrons. Huckins Yacht Works This Jacksonville, Fla., company built only 18 boats. The boats did not perform as well as the others and did not see widespread use. PT BOAT LOSSES According to PT Boats, Inc., 69 of the 531 PT boats in service were lost during WWII: · Accident, friendly fire, sea conditions: 22 · Destroyed to prevent capture: 21 · Rammed: 2 · Kamikaze: 2 · Other: 3 · Mine: 4 · Shore Battery: 5 · Aircraft: 5 · Ship: 5 WHERE TO SEE PT658 The boat will take part in Fort Vancouver’s historic review of the end of WWII, Aug. 26-28. For more information, visit Save the PT Boats’ Web site: www.savetheptboatinc.com Sources: Save the PT Boat Inc.; “Squadron/Signal Publications; PT Boats” United States PT Boats of World War II”; PT Boats Inc.; Naval Historical Center Here is the cutaway drawing of PT658 from this article : Here is a drawing of the Mark 13 torpedo and the Packard engine from this article: Neat page on PT Boats. Indy http://www.savetheptboatinc.com/new_page_1.htm

06-08-12, 06:19 AM	#174
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	@ Indy: Please do not quote entire articles. They tend to be copywrited. Post the first paragraph only and a link to the rest. We've had authors complain about this before. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-15-12, 03:29 PM	#176
Alex Dominant Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,143 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Thanks a lot, Niki. Here's a few more pics. Slowly taking shape... @ Captain Niki : In case you've got some pics featuring a bottom view of the radar itself, I'd like to see them - just in case some neat detail needs to appear on the bottom face of the radar. As well as some shots of the control panel on deck, please. __________________

06-15-12, 03:32 PM	#177
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	That Higgins boat is really lookin' great guys! She's gonna be awful perty when she's done! __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

06-16-12, 05:51 PM	#179
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Sounds good Privateer! I only hope the game will handle a nice piece of work like this without becoming a slideshow, or needing a couple Terrabyte video cards linked to run her with all details! __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

06-18-12, 01:03 PM	#180
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	If the parts are split up correctly, there should be no real issues. I've looked at the faces count for existing Subs in SH4 and We can easily work with those numbers. The Hull and common parts would be in the Submarine folder. The bridge would be the Conning Tower so would be in the Objects folder. All Weapons should be placed in the correct folders also. This will allow further versions of the Bridge and Weapons systems for different versions of the Higgins, like the Gun Boat version.