Propellers separate control

federicom51 · 03-10-10, 12:43 PM

Good evening to everyone,

I notice with unpleasure that also in the last chapter of Silent Hunter, V, the submarine cannot be really controlled.

I’m explain better: reality when someone want to reverse course as quick as possible,instead of turning the rudder to the right or left whole, inverts the transmission of the port or starboard propeller. For example in the movie "The hunt for red October" and scene where Marko Ramius (Sean Connery) commands reverse march propeller starboard for rotate faster starboard, precisely.

Another great defect is that when one wants approaching night silently surface an enemy ship, not can do with battery propulsion but only with diesel engines.

Whoever able to create a patch / mod or new commands for do this, I would be willing to pay well, because so you would give true sensation of command of submarine.

Thanks for attention and I really hope that some true expert accept my request.

Damo · 03-10-10, 01:03 PM

After squinting to read your post (don't use black text, pleeease

), I see what you are asking. You want to be able to throw the propeller on the side of the boat you want to turn to go into reverse. Firstly, I don't think this would be possible due to hard-coding and if it was, I don't think it would actually have the desired effect in game, as the programmed physics of the u-boats movement would have to be adjusted, even re-written.

It's an unusual request, but I see the logic although I don't know if the U-Boats actually used this principle while turning, I figure it's a more modern innovation.

brett25 · 03-10-10, 01:10 PM

He wrote, (using the new black

text feature)

Quote:

Good evening to everyone,

I notice with unpleasure that also in the last chapter of Silent Hunter, V, the submarine cannot be really controlled.

I’m explain better: reality when someone want to reverse course as quick as possible,instead of turning the rudder to the right or left whole, inverts the transmission of the port or starboard propeller. For example in the movie "The hunt for red October" and scene where Marko Ramius (Sean Connery) commands reverse march propeller starboard for rotate faster starboard, precisely.

Another great defect is that when one wants approaching night silently surface an enemy ship, not can do with battery propulsion but only with diesel engines.

Whoever able to create a patch / mod or new commands for do this, I would be willing to pay well, because so you would give true sensation of command of submarine.

Thanks for attention and I really hope that some true expert accept my request.

Hitman · 03-10-10, 01:27 PM

I changed the font colour to white, that should be better readable for those using black and dark blue as style

A PITA for those using light blue, though

but I can't revert to default font colour, sorry.

irish1958 · 03-10-10, 01:36 PM

Been tried; can't do

federicom51 · 03-11-10, 08:54 AM

Hi

and for the battery surface mode instead diesel enigines like in the movie "Das Boote", the scene when the U-96 follow the british destroyers at gibraltar on the surface with battery propulsion.

Thanks

CWorth · 03-11-10, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by federicom51

Hi

and for the battery surface mode instead diesel enigines like in the movie "Das Boote", the scene when the U-96 follow the british destroyers at gibraltar on the surface with battery propulsion.

Thanks

As with the first question this is also hardcoded and cannot be done as far as I know.

DivingDuck · 03-11-10, 12:05 PM

Moin,

turning the boat by using opposite speed settings for left/right engine was used to maneuver wherever little space was available, e.g. harbor basins. This maneuver was called "Baksen" in German. But although we have two propeller shafts the game engine only simulates one source of propulsion. What you see at the u-boat´s stern is just eye candy. Therefore this can´t be realized.

Re the use of electric propulsion when surfaced, it´s not possible.

Regards,
DD

Gilbou · 03-11-10, 02:38 PM

When I play SH3 + GWX and I'm on surface with one engine charging batteries (I have a type II) I only see the left propeller move from behind the sub, the right one doesn't. If I turn off battery charging, the right propeller starts to move.

Myxale · 03-11-10, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilbou

When I play SH3 + GWX and I'm on surface with one engine charging batteries (I have a type II) I only see the left propeller move from behind the sub, the right one doesn't. If I turn off battery charging, the right propeller starts to move.

It's still the eye-candy!

This was one of the factors people first thought it was possible!

Sailor Steve · 03-11-10, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilbou

When I play SH3 + GWX and I'm on surface with one engine charging batteries (I have a type II) I only see the left propeller move from behind the sub, the right one doesn't. If I turn off battery charging, the right propeller starts to move.

And if you go into the control room and look at the engine revolution guages above the planesmen, you'll see that the right engine is running at flank speed while it charges the battery.

This is built into the game and happens no matter what mods you use. It doesn't mean that a modder can go in and change that part.

Sag75 · 03-11-10, 07:08 PM

if you have a look in NSS_Uboat7b.dat there are two nodes (189 and 192) that describes left and right propellers positions.

But I don't know whether the propulsion forces are applied both to the same point

03-11-10, 09:55 PM

You can look at the files with S3D, a Hex editor,
upside down with a shot of Vodka.
It don't matter!

Unless, and ONLY unless you hack hard code?
It ain't gonna change.

One of the hardest things for me to do is to hold information back.
One Major bit I was asked to hold back involves hard coded stuff.

I'll give you a Clue.
Why do you CTD if you click on the Black Sea area somewhere abouts?

There are 2 people that have the answer!
I am the one that figured it out.

Rubini · 03-12-10, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

....Why do you CTD if you click on the Black Sea area somewhere abouts?

There are 2 people that have the answer!
I am the one that figured it out.

Hi privateer,

I'm not the other one but i really should like to fix this "annoyng since release ctd bug". Is this difficult to fix? Can you release it as a mod or show to us how to fix it?

Thanks in any advice mate.

03-12-10, 07:49 PM

Hi Rubini,

I discovered the problem cause by running the Game
in a 'shell' let us say.

From version 1 to 1.4b there has been Security Defeat programs
out there.

They are flawed.
The Black Sea CTD is just one I traced to those programs.
I also have a feeling that some of the Save Game problems are
related.
But I did not test that area.

My test for the Black Sea CTD was to run 2 installs.
One was totally stock with Security.
One with the No Security Fix.

I could not reproduce the CTD in the 'shell' with a stock install.
I could hit the CTD Everytime in the 'shell' with the 'fix'

You decide.
It can be corrected with a lot of work and the proper software.
I don't have the needed software and have no plans to buy it.

And am I correct in my thinking that Ubi approves of the 1.4b fix?

03-10-10, 12:43 PM	#1
federicom51 Nub Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Italy Posts: 3 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Propellers separate control Good evening to everyone, I notice with unpleasure that also in the last chapter of Silent Hunter, V, the submarine cannot be really controlled. I’m explain better: reality when someone want to reverse course as quick as possible,instead of turning the rudder to the right or left whole, inverts the transmission of the port or starboard propeller. For example in the movie "The hunt for red October" and scene where Marko Ramius (Sean Connery) commands reverse march propeller starboard for rotate faster starboard, precisely. Another great defect is that when one wants approaching night silently surface an enemy ship, not can do with battery propulsion but only with diesel engines. Whoever able to create a patch / mod or new commands for do this, I would be willing to pay well, because so you would give true sensation of command of submarine. Thanks for attention and I really hope that some true expert accept my request. Last edited by Hitman; 03-10-10 at 01:26 PM.

03-10-10, 01:03 PM	#2
Damo Captain Join Date: May 2009 Location: Forever stuck in Data folder... Posts: 482 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	After squinting to read your post (don't use black text, pleeease ), I see what you are asking. You want to be able to throw the propeller on the side of the boat you want to turn to go into reverse. Firstly, I don't think this would be possible due to hard-coding and if it was, I don't think it would actually have the desired effect in game, as the programmed physics of the u-boats movement would have to be adjusted, even re-written. It's an unusual request, but I see the logic although I don't know if the U-Boats actually used this principle while turning, I figure it's a more modern innovation. __________________ The owl and the pussycat went to sea in a beautiful pea-green boat. It only took one T1 eel to convince that boat not to float.

03-10-10, 01:27 PM	#4
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,099 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	I changed the font colour to white, that should be better readable for those using black and dark blue as style A PITA for those using light blue, though but I can't revert to default font colour, sorry. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

03-10-10, 01:36 PM	#5
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	Been tried; can't do __________________ Irish1958

03-11-10, 08:54 AM	#6
federicom51 Nub Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Italy Posts: 3 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Thanks for attention Hi and for the battery surface mode instead diesel enigines like in the movie "Das Boote", the scene when the U-96 follow the british destroyers at gibraltar on the surface with battery propulsion. Thanks

03-11-10, 12:05 PM	#8
DivingDuck Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 902 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 1	Moin, turning the boat by using opposite speed settings for left/right engine was used to maneuver wherever little space was available, e.g. harbor basins. This maneuver was called "Baksen" in German. But although we have two propeller shafts the game engine only simulates one source of propulsion. What you see at the u-boat´s stern is just eye candy. Therefore this can´t be realized. Re the use of electric propulsion when surfaced, it´s not possible. Regards, DD __________________ http://www.filefront.com/user/DivingDuck \| OpenHatch_V3_RH (SHIII)

03-11-10, 02:38 PM	#9
Gilbou Chief Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: France Posts: 313 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	When I play SH3 + GWX and I'm on surface with one engine charging batteries (I have a type II) I only see the left propeller move from behind the sub, the right one doesn't. If I turn off battery charging, the right propeller starts to move.

03-11-10, 07:08 PM	#12
Sag75 XO Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 424 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	if you have a look in NSS_Uboat7b.dat there are two nodes (189 and 192) that describes left and right propellers positions. But I don't know whether the propulsion forces are applied both to the same point __________________ Betasom - XI Gruppo Sommergibili Atlantici http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php

03-11-10, 09:55 PM	#13
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	You can look at the files with S3D, a Hex editor, upside down with a shot of Vodka. It don't matter! Unless, and ONLY unless you hack hard code? It ain't gonna change. One of the hardest things for me to do is to hold information back. One Major bit I was asked to hold back involves hard coded stuff. I'll give you a Clue. Why do you CTD if you click on the Black Sea area somewhere abouts? There are 2 people that have the answer! I am the one that figured it out.

03-12-10, 07:49 PM	#15
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Hi Rubini, I discovered the problem cause by running the Game in a 'shell' let us say. From version 1 to 1.4b there has been Security Defeat programs out there. They are flawed. The Black Sea CTD is just one I traced to those programs. I also have a feeling that some of the Save Game problems are related. But I did not test that area. My test for the Black Sea CTD was to run 2 installs. One was totally stock with Security. One with the No Security Fix. I could not reproduce the CTD in the 'shell' with a stock install. I could hit the CTD Everytime in the 'shell' with the 'fix' You decide. It can be corrected with a lot of work and the proper software. I don't have the needed software and have no plans to buy it. And am I correct in my thinking that Ubi approves of the 1.4b fix?