UK Politics Thread

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

https://news.sky.com/story/pm-slams-...trust-11488381

That will not stop them, in fact it could make them step up the pressure even more.

How many further referendums?

Keep on having them until they get the outcome they desire?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45389610

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45385421


Holiday is over back to the war of words.


Stop farting around and just get on with it. Bloody politicians, no wonder our planet is a bloody mess.

They negotiate a deal or get no money, telling overseas car manufacturers they will be limited to the number of British made parts they can put into a new build car smacks of a nanny state keeping a tight grip of everything they can keep control of.

Do a Trump on them I say and hit them tariff for tariff....they export more to the UK than we do to the EU.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

How many further referendums?

Keep on having them until they get the outcome they desire?

They want a Ireland..Leave...No wait re-run...stay.....result.


PM May must hold firm on this one as they will ratchet it up.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

They want a Ireland..Leave...No wait re-run...stay.....result.


PM May must hold firm on this one as they will ratchet it up.

I'm still hoping a sensible deal will be agreed upon but failing that, a no deal brexit will be acceptable because the democratic will of the people must be respected.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'm still hoping a sensible deal will be agreed upon but failing that, a no deal brexit will be acceptable because the democratic will of the people must be respected.

If the democratic will of most of the people would really be be respected you would pobably wonder what happens next..

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

If the democratic will of most of the people would really be be respected you would pobably wonder what happens next..

Not sure what you mean.....the referendum took place, the votes were counted and a majority voted to leave.

[Catfish]

^ yes, it is so easy. A referendum that was generously allowed to happen.. next please then be Scotland and Ireland, regarding their future relation to England. As you said the will of the people(s) shall always be asked for, and respected. Allowing this referendum but not another is perfectly democratic?
Next: Boaty McBoatface lol

It seems a lot of people did not vote for or against brexit, they did not vote at all for whatever reason. A lot of people realised too late what they missed. Maybe there should be a certain number of percentage be necessary and requested to 'vote' as a real majority, for far reaching decisions like that.

Another idea would be the changing will of the people over time, and be asked once more when they realise they have been betrayed by wrong numbers or propaganda.. or been hit by a bus.


"Democracy was not served:

Firstly, David Cameron used the promise of a referendum in order to pacify the eurosceptic section of his party and stop any more defections to UKIP before the General Election. This referendum was NOT about the best interests of the country, but about him gaining an advantage at the election. So that's abuse number 1.

Secondly, the British public were not asked to make up their minds on the basis of sane, rational argument and a full presentation of the facts. Both the Remain side and the Leave side ran appalling campaigns, with George Osborne promising a ‘ punishment budget’ if we left and Johnson and Gove making ridiculous promises that amounted to outright lies. The level of our public discourse sank so low that Boris even compared the EU to Hitler. A hardworking and principled MP was murdered in the street. And as soon as the Leave result was announced, it became clear that nobody, least of all those who had campaigned so hard for it, had the faintest idea what to do next."


And they do not have an idea now.

[Jimbuna]

Parliament (the democratically elected representatives of the people) are sovereign in/on this matter and will have the final say.

I don't see a problem in that.

[Catfish]

Some minds are changing.. A new constituency-by-constituency model by data scientists at Focaldata, which uses new YouGov polling, has found that 14 Welsh constituencies swung from Leave to Remain this year, putting Wales firmly in the pro-EU camp.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-brexit-remain

It is not only a UK problem of course, lots of companies and industry do not know where to invest now, and where. Sure it will not be the UK, but it also is not necessarily the EU. Seems like a real win for all

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8433241.html

[Skybird]

There need to be rules. One cannot let the crod vote again and again untiul one has the vote one wants to see. You can repeat votings, yes. But such important stuff should not be repeated after just 18 months. Once in a generation or so is more to my idea.

We should not want to have "we cnaged our minds" and "we did not know what we did" and "last time we did niot care this time we do" be a valid arugment to just bypass the very idea of decision finding by majority vote.

The voting process has spoken. Now let the result be felt.

Alternative: have campaigning special interests groups taking over, declaring the meaning of votings as "pointless". Be careful what you wish for - and that aims at both pro and contra Brexit campaigners.

Hm. I just have this image on my mind, a sprinter at the Olympic finals saying: "I got out of the block quite late, could be repeat the race, please?"

[Catfish]

Question is whether such far-reaching polls changing the constitution should be organised for obviously uninformed people. What about a referendum about the further existence of the Royals and the Kingdom, about the House of Lords, about defense spending or the death penalty? Or a referendum for higher loans? Populistic and short-sighted referendums will always pass.
If the same people decide in five years that it is all a mess, will you forbid them to vote and change things again? Who decides when to vote in a referendum uncoupled from regular elections, and when to vote again?

China is gloating about brexit, Trump and all the MiniTrumps popping up in the 'EU', turning efforts, achievements and proven values into disarray. Then Romania, Hungary, Poland's PiS party abolishing democracy, Turkey. No own propaganda could have been better to justify their dictatorship, or Erdoghan's. A quarreling Europe (including the UK) and the current USA are their wet dream.

[Jimbuna]

The Northern Ireland Secretary is to cut Stormont Assembly members' pay.

Northern Ireland has been without an executive since January 2017 after a bitter row between the governing parties, the DUP and Sinn Féin.

Karen Bradley has also ruled out calling a fresh Assembly election and she is to bring forward legislation to allow civil servants to make decisions in the absence of devolution.

MLA pay will fall in November from £49,500 to £35,888.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45434415

If the buggers don't come to their senses I'd be stopping their pay altogether until they returned to work.

[Jimbuna]

Always sad to hear of marriages falling apart. The couple have been married for 25 years and have four children.

Former foreign secretary Boris Johnson and his wife Marina Wheeler have confirmed they have separated.

In a joint statement, they said they are now in the process of divorcing, after the Sun newspaper broke the news of their split.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45446254

[Jimbuna]

Not often the lying king speaks sense but I reckon he does here.

Tony Blair says he is "not sure it is possible" for Labour "moderates" to take the party back from the left.

The former Labour leader told the BBC's Nick Robinson Labour had been through a "profound change" under Jeremy Corbyn.

"It is a different type of Labour Party. Can it be taken back? I don't know," he said.

Mr Corbyn responded: "I think Tony should recognise that party membership is now much bigger than it has ever been."

Asked about his predecessor's comments, the Labour leader added: "I've been in the Labour Party all my life. I am a socialist. I am determined to see a fairer and more equal society.

"That's what the Labour Party exists for. We're there for human rights. We're there for social justice. We're there for the future of the people of this country.

"It's not personal, it's about us as a movement. That's why we were founded. That's why the party is so big. And that's why I'm so confident that we are continually challenging this government and we will win a general election."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45438855

[STEED]

Today's news has reinforced my belief voting is a wast of time.


I don't like Tony Blair but I do agree with him that Labour can not be saved while Jezzer is king. I also see that Norris women in the Tories calling for Boris to take over, you must be joking Boris is cleaver but his attention span is so small it would fit on a pin head. And finally the loony tree hugging smoke dope party known as the LibDems are still in the woods.


I would not wast any time voting for these lot and any of the smaller party's. Unit I see a party fit to vote for but I got more chance spotting a flying pig.