Subsim Narwhal Contest - Mod is now available, see post #662 - Page 7

keltos01 · 06-25-09, 03:53 PM

Here's my latest Narwhal Model with railing and cables

:

Sledge : let me do the 3d !

keltos

Sledgehammer427 · 06-25-09, 04:38 PM

okay, no prob

keltos01 · 06-25-09, 04:48 PM

now she needs an AO map and a good uv map...

[edit]
AO map done for tower
uv map fixed for hull
texture done for sub

Hull AO computing....

keltos

Hitman · 06-26-09, 01:35 AM

So this the Narwhal again, not the Argonaut? You had lowered the deck gun platform in a previous model for the Argonaut, now it is raised again for the Narwhal?

The thin part of the platform should be in line with the hull. It's only the wider part where the gun sit that protudes to the outside. The dotted lines in this picture show where you must drag the platform to:

The platform looks also a bit too elevated for my taste. I would lower it a few inches, not very much, but lower it a bit, say a 20-25%. The edges of the platform that go down to the hull must also be vertical, as in the scheme I posted above. May be when you lower it you will see that it gets its natural appearance by itself, as the upper part is already vertical in your model (And the lower one which curves incorrectly to the inside will be hidden inside the hull)

Note that my comments are just striving for perfection! The model is already very good and I like it

P.D. One more thing, when you put render of the model in the game, could you please give it simply a flat dark grey texture? It will be easier to see the real shape of it than with the current provisional texture, whose parts do not match the ship and cause a weird effect.

The grey in Fooboors Narwhal skin would be perfect for that purpose.

edit2: Forget it, I have had a better idea to explain how to model the gun platform. I'll post a scheme when I come home at 14.00 CET, be patient.

keltos01 · 06-26-09, 01:46 AM

the platform height is that of the blueprint I have, which isn't very sharp, so lowering it a bit is no problem.

here above : the AO map for the hull

Hitman · 06-26-09, 07:31 AM

In this last pictures the platform is still thinner than the deck, which it shouldn't. YOu must make it wider in the centre, in the conning tower area.

Here is what you can try as simple 3D figure to test out the platform with the shape I think it is most correct; simply build two cylinders and connect them with a rectangle that has the same width as the deck. Placing this at the deck level should give you a good Argonaut gun platform, and raising it a bit above, a good Narwhal.

keltos01 · 06-26-09, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Narwhal 1939

thanks it's the same I had but at better resolution, I'll swap mine for this one !

@Hitman : ok for the lowering of the guns platform by 25%, but not ok to have round guns platforms : look at the blueprint here above : not round.

I'll do that in the next day or so, RL is there too

keltos

AVGWarhawk · 06-26-09, 08:22 AM

Stern platform looks round, the bow not so much

Picture #2 in post #95 looks darn good.

keltos01 · 06-26-09, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keltos01

here above : the AO map for the hull

Thanks AVGWarhawk !
but I need to rework it a bit : there are bits not in the right place on the UV map of the model and it show here near the stern it covers what should be plancking, but we're getting there !

your new blueprint will help, can you post it for me at max resolution on FF for instance ?

keltos

AVGWarhawk · 06-26-09, 08:44 AM

Here is the site I got this blueprint:

http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...submarines-us/

Register...it is free and instant access.

Hitman · 06-26-09, 09:13 AM

Quote:

not ok to have round guns platforms : look at the blueprint here above : not round

The idea is for the purpose of being able to notice the correct shape of it when joining the hull. It doesn't matter if you don't do perfect cylinders or the more oval shaped thing the blueprint shows, the relevant thing is that it has a VERTICAL wall that goes down to join the hull vertically.

The blueprint you showed is the same I posted in the first page of this thread, AVG got it from the same place I think.

EDIT: Don't forget the ladders to climb from teh deck to the gun platform! ;-)

keltos01 · 06-26-09, 10:12 AM

gun deck lowered by 1/4th or 25 %,

now I don't need any ladder

but I'm not that good at cables .. yet

keltos

AVGWarhawk · 06-26-09, 10:26 AM

See the red line? Keep that shape (upside down cone) going and you got the bulge that accommodates the gun platform! Looking really good!

Finish off the red line area like this shape...upside down cone:

Sledgehammer427 · 06-26-09, 10:29 AM

wow, my 3d modeling senses are going mad!
...must....edit....cruisers!
looking good keltos, get me the lightmaps and I'll be ready to whip up some textures for ya!

Hitman · 06-26-09, 12:45 PM

What AVG said

, but I think you already have that inverted cone shape (It should be a cylinder, with a vertical wall, and not a cone but OK). It's probably the hull wall what is not properly curving inwards, not the gun platform.

You also need to stretch the gun platform outwards so that it is as wide as the deck and gets in line with the hull, as I pointed out in earlier messages

06-25-09, 03:53 PM	#91
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	New 3d model Here's my latest Narwhal Model with railing and cables : Sledge : let me do the 3d ! keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships" Last edited by keltos01; 06-25-09 at 04:17 PM.

06-25-09, 04:38 PM	#92
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,901 Downloads: 280 Uploads: 0	okay, no prob __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

06-25-09, 04:48 PM	#93
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	now she needs an AO map and a good uv map... [edit] AO map done for tower uv map fixed for hull texture done for sub Hull AO computing.... keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships" Last edited by keltos01; 06-25-09 at 07:27 PM.

06-26-09, 01:35 AM	#94
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,099 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	So this the Narwhal again, not the Argonaut? You had lowered the deck gun platform in a previous model for the Argonaut, now it is raised again for the Narwhal? The thin part of the platform should be in line with the hull. It's only the wider part where the gun sit that protudes to the outside. The dotted lines in this picture show where you must drag the platform to: The platform looks also a bit too elevated for my taste. I would lower it a few inches, not very much, but lower it a bit, say a 20-25%. The edges of the platform that go down to the hull must also be vertical, as in the scheme I posted above. May be when you lower it you will see that it gets its natural appearance by itself, as the upper part is already vertical in your model (And the lower one which curves incorrectly to the inside will be hidden inside the hull) Note that my comments are just striving for perfection! The model is already very good and I like it P.D. One more thing, when you put render of the model in the game, could you please give it simply a flat dark grey texture? It will be easier to see the real shape of it than with the current provisional texture, whose parts do not match the ship and cause a weird effect. The grey in Fooboors Narwhal skin would be perfect for that purpose. edit2: Forget it, I have had a better idea to explain how to model the gun platform. I'll post a scheme when I come home at 14.00 CET, be patient. __________________ One day I will return to sea ... Last edited by Hitman; 06-26-09 at 01:46 AM.

06-26-09, 07:31 AM	#96
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,099 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	In this last pictures the platform is still thinner than the deck, which it shouldn't. YOu must make it wider in the centre, in the conning tower area. Here is what you can try as simple 3D figure to test out the platform with the shape I think it is most correct; simply build two cylinders and connect them with a rectangle that has the same width as the deck. Placing this at the deck level should give you a good Argonaut gun platform, and raising it a bit above, a good Narwhal. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

06-26-09, 01:46 AM	#95
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	the platform height is that of the blueprint I have, which isn't very sharp, so lowering it a bit is no problem. here above : the AO map for the hull __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

06-26-09, 08:22 AM	#98
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 27,343 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Stern platform looks round, the bow not so much Picture #2 in post #95 looks darn good. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

06-26-09, 08:44 AM	#100
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 27,343 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Here is the site I got this blueprint: http://www.the-blueprints.com/bluepr...submarines-us/ Register...it is free and instant access. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

06-26-09, 10:12 AM	#102
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	gun deck lowered by 1/4th or 25 %, now I don't need any ladder but I'm not that good at cables .. yet keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

06-26-09, 10:26 AM	#103
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 27,343 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	See the red line? Keep that shape (upside down cone) going and you got the bulge that accommodates the gun platform! Looking really good! Finish off the red line area like this shape...upside down cone: __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

06-26-09, 10:29 AM	#104
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,901 Downloads: 280 Uploads: 0	wow, my 3d modeling senses are going mad! ...must....edit....cruisers! looking good keltos, get me the lightmaps and I'll be ready to whip up some textures for ya! __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

06-26-09, 12:45 PM	#105
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,099 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	What AVG said , but I think you already have that inverted cone shape (It should be a cylinder, with a vertical wall, and not a cone but OK). It's probably the hull wall what is not properly curving inwards, not the gun platform. You also need to stretch the gun platform outwards so that it is as wide as the deck and gets in line with the hull, as I pointed out in earlier messages __________________ One day I will return to sea ...