US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Onkel Neal]

Thank you, Rockstar. I thought my comments were fairly easy to understand, I think some people want to make everything about Trump. Same as they did with Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc.... Trump is not my guy, maybe they missed that.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Soon-to-be-gone Obama waved his feeble fist at Russia again today.

We'll know this is serious when Russia shuts down the US space program.

I believe Obama is doing his best to be disruptive through the transition. Instead of sending 35 Russians home perhaps it would be best to spend time figuring out how the Russians obtained the emails and how such idiocy found within the emails can be curtailed in the future communications between DNC members.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

What if Presidet Obama is thinking of running again in four years?

22nd amendment

[eddie]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I believe Obama is doing his best to be disruptive through the transition. Instead of sending 35 Russians home perhaps it would be best to spend time figuring out how the Russians obtained the emails and how such idiocy found within the emails can be curtailed in the future communications between DNC members.

Maybe we should forgive the Russians and give them a big hug. I mean they are so straight forward and honest, how could we mistrust them. Putin is such a wonderful guy, just ask the folks in the Ukraine and Aleppo!! He should be up for Man of the Year!!

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I believe Obama is doing his best to be disruptive through the transition. Instead of sending 35 Russians home perhaps it would be best to spend time figuring out how the Russians obtained the emails and how such idiocy found within the emails can be curtailed in the future communications between DNC members.

It would be most amusing if in a few years we would find out that the whole evill russian haxors buisness was actually a hoax by Dem party leadership.

On the topic of the space programs - US has a back up to NASA in the form of Space-X, as Space-X basically inherited NASA's know-how, tech and specialists.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I believe Obama is doing his best to be disruptive through the transition. Instead of sending 35 Russians home perhaps it would be best to spend time figuring out how the Russians obtained the emails and how such idiocy found within the emails can be curtailed in the future communications between DNC members.

C'mon now if Obama was really being disruptive...He'd order every 'T' removed from of every government computer key-board ....the night before the inauguration! If I were the president I'd close the Moscow embassy and direct all communication with the Kremlin through ... Bonny Prince Harry himself His great-grandfather, Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark, was a son of Grand Princess Olga Constantinovna of Russia, so Prince Harry even has a distant relation to the Romanov house. He could use a good gig! Or> Prince Rostislav Romanov was born in Lake Forest, Illinois in 1985. He is one of the most active and closest to Russia Romanovs. Rostislav was the one to participate in DNA tests after the remains of the slaughtered family of Nicholas II were found; he also took part in many conferences and events as an official representative of the Romanov house. He is also the only Romanov who lives in Russia: he moved there from the USA in 2009 and is now Director of the Board of The Petrodvorets Watch Factory - Raketa, located in St. Petersburg and founded by his ancestor, Peter the Great. Even Putin allegedly has thoughts in this direction: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/586470/Russia-royal-family-Vladimir-Putin-reinstate-Tsar-Nicholas-Second-Romanov

The Romanov family's extraordinary return would not threaten the rule of the Kremlin strongman but would aim to give them a role in unifying Russia.
The move proposed by Vladimir Petrov, a law maker from Putin's party, has prompted speculation that it has the Russian leader's direct approval.
Petrov also plans to introduce a law, which would be implemented by the centenary of the end of Imperial rule, which would "give the Royal family members a special status" and "stimulate their return to Russia".
The legislator has written letters to the heirs of the Romanov dynasty,

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I think you might want to read up on what he means by Russia shutting down the U.S. space program. Doesnt have anything to do with shutting down the Department, Trump, bible thumpers or cronies.

NASA's budget is already trimmed to the point that it must totally rely on the Russians to get U.S. astronauts into space. So, unless you are willing to invest a substantial sum of money into NASA or have the patience to wait for private enterprise to develope vehicles. The Russians being the only source of transportation for U.S. astronauts are very capable of shutting down the U.S. space program (not NASA).

Oh, I am very aware of what was meant by Neal's post; his comment does, indeed, have nothing to do with "the Department, Trump, bible thumpers or cronies" and I never intended my comments to so indicate. Yes, the Russkies can very easily shut down manned NASA projects simply by parking the bus. My comments are meant to address the fact past history has proven the decline of NASA is more due to domestic neglect and that much of the impetus for the woeful state of NASA has been due to the efforts of those parties who, for philosophical or fiscal reasons, have sought to, and have mainly succeeded, in paring down arguably the most productive, dollar for dollar, entity in the US...

The Far Right is already going after their usual bugaboos like Social Security (which no less a notorious Lefty than Ronald Reagan declared to have no impact on the deficit), family planning, and all the other usual suspects. I have heard, on various Right radio shows and TV broadcasts murmurings about dredging up such dead issues as school prayer, flag burning and "Under God/In Go We Trust" amendments, and there appears to be a renewing effort to launch yet another decency/anti-porn push in Congress (you would have thought the Meese Commission Report, Tipper Gore's music clean-up crusade, among others, would have been the end of that dead horse). Almost without exception, none of the proposed efforts would pass the requirements for amendments and if they did, would not pass SCOTUS Constitutional review, regardless of how stacked a bench they might seek. What the US populace must be wary of is the sideshows that spring up whenever an extreme faction of any party tries to wrest control and enact narrow partisan agendas; will we be distracted by the folderol of the Far Right while they move to do harm to the basic standards of the Constitution? Misdirection, distraction, bellicose denunciations, and more are the tolos and stock in trade of those,of any party stripe, who do not necessarily want you to know they may not be working in the general best interest. It very often is very important to pay attention to the man behind the curtain and ignore the bellowing Great Oz; if you do, you might just find the reality of your situation...

The soon to be Great And Grand Wizard is someone of whom 56% of the voters did not have the confidence enough to vote for and that is important because the popular vote is truly the will of the people: one person, one vote. The Electoral vote may be the one that matters as far as the political game is concerned, but the popular vote, particularly if it goes against an office holder, or soon to be office holder, is an ominous sign for their party and, in particular, for those all-important mid-term elections...

As a perspective, in 2012 Obama reelection effort garnered a total of 65,915 795 popular votes; by contrast, Trump garnered 62,979,879 popular votes, 2,935,916 popular votes short of Obama's 2012 total, not very much of a bell ringing achievement. No matter how you slice it, Trump is not in a position to claim high popularity or approval, much less a mandate from the people of the US...




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[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by eddie

Maybe we should forgive the Russians and give them a big hug. I mean they are so straight forward and honest, how could we mistrust them. Putin is such a wonderful guy, just ask the folks in the Ukraine and Aleppo!! He should be up for Man of the Year!!

Not sure how you construed this from my post.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

It would be most amusing if in a few years we would find out that the whole evill russian haxors buisness was actually a hoax by Dem party leadership.

Well, I have not seen the evidence that Russia did anything. All I have seen is finger pointing and blame shifting for Hillary's well earned loss.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

[COLOR=orange]C'mon now if Obama was really being disruptive...He'd order every 'T' removed from of every government computer key-board ....the night before the inauguration!

Wait until the night of the inauguration. A past president removed the W on the keyboards and some fine China from what I was told. Maybe I'm wrong.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Soon-to-be-gone Obama waved his feeble fist at Russia again today.

We'll know this is serious when Russia shuts down the US space program.

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Thank you, Rockstar. I thought my comments were fairly easy to understand, I think some people want to make everything about Trump. Same as they did with Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc.... Trump is not my guy, maybe they missed that.

Hmm...

That Obama "Obama waved his feeble fist" line followed by "...I think some people want to make everything about Trump. Same as they did with Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc...." smacks a bit of glass houses and blackened pots...

I'm well aware Trump is not your guy. Neither Obama nor Trump are my guys. All I'm really hoping for is Trump not tanking the economy like Dubbya, but with all those Wall Street weasels on his team and some of the other suspect choices he"s made, it may be a long hope...



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[Platapus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Wait until the night of the inauguration. A past president removed the W on the keyboards and some fine China from what I was told. Maybe I'm wrong.

This type of childish harassment is, unfortunately, a common occurrence when there is a change in administration. Kinda silly and embarrassing when you think about it. But it seems to be a tradition for some reason.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Platapus

This type of childish harassment is, unfortunately, a common occurrence when there is a change in administration. Kinda silly and embarrassing when you think about it. But it seems to be a tradition for some reason.

I call it destruction of public property and theft.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by vienna

All I'm really hoping for is Trump not tanking the economy like Dubbya, but with all those Wall Street weasels on his team and some of the other suspect choices he"s made, it may be a long hope...



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Dubbya didn't tank the economy. He was merely present while certain progressive Democrats tanked it. When they decided that home ownership was a right and required banks to make loans which couldn't be repaid, while "community organizers" like our current President shook down banks by requiring them to make large amounts of loans to unqualified applicants in order to open branches in "their" areas, then the runaway train to disaster was fully underway.

Dubbya's error was not to stop that train or even to talk about the inevitable catastrophe that was 100% guaranteed sooner rather than later. To underscore that we also failed to understand the cause, we then elected one of the community organizers to be President.

So you can blame Dubbya partly. But primary responsibility goes to Obama, Pelosi, Barney Frank and their progressive movement, along with the banks, who were promised a federal bailout when the chickens came home to roost.

As LeBron James, not known for being a white, anti-minority, antisemetic bigot, says "Nothing is given. Everything is earned. You work for what you have." It explains why giving these irresponsible people loans didn't work. They didn't work for what they had. Therefore they didn't value what they had. They didn't sacrifice to protect what they had because they weren't required to sacrifice to obtain it.

They went down. The banks, which should have been permitted to go down also, were bailed out with the money meant to bail out the people who lost what they were given to begin with.

The community organizer then fiddled (with healthcare) while the economy burned. To make the unemployment rate look good he merely took millions off the unemployment rolls and put them on the disability rolls. Then, declaring the crisis over he abandoned the economy, with 90 million people not employed, the lowest job participation ratio since just after World War II.

The worst devastated are inner city minorities, the very people Obama was elected to help. They, in exchange for their faithful votes, are 30% unemployed, even by the rigged rules which vastly understate their numbers. Crime in those inner cities is burgeoning as they lose hope that anybody cares. They've been betrayed by their own. Who can blame them?

If Trump can see the opportunity that can be realized by saving those abandoned in the inner cities, it's over for the progressive movement. But I haven't heard a word about this most important thing he could ever do since he was elected. I hope that 's just because the news media doesn't want to give him any ideas.

Nothing is given. Everything is earned. If something is given, it is lost, sooner rather than later. Opportunity is the only real help. Handouts only last until they are squandered.

[August]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

It would be most amusing if in a few years we would find out that the whole evill russian haxors buisness was actually a hoax by Dem party leadership.

Wikileaks has repeatedly said the emails came from a disgruntled dem party official. Who knows maybe it's true?