UC3 Nautilus sunk - Peter Madsen charged with murder of journalist Kim Wall - Page 20

Buddahaid · 09-19-17, 12:11 AM

We can all speculate forever, and draw lines in the sand to defend our castles, but I doubt we will never know.

McBeck · 09-19-17, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Obltn Strand

Actually first police investigated disappearance of KW. Then PM's story had some holes in it. Surveillance tapes and eyewitnesses couldn't verify it. Then torso of KW was founded. THEN police began talking about murder. You don't find torsos in water every other day in nordic countries.

Don't get too much involved in conspiracy theories.

Peter told them she was dead and that he dumped her in water in the first interrogation the day after he was arrested. The public was not told about this until much later, which makes it seem like he changed he story when they couldnt find her.

McBeck · 09-19-17, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by heartc

How many people do you know that have their own sub and space rockets and the knowledge? And what kind of connections do those people have, or will happen across almost inevitably? Is it your everyday Joe?

You state this like its very special. What was built is not exotic by any means and shared with authorities and educational institutions etc. The tech is rather simple...
The purpose of building the sub and the rockets was to show that you don't need special connections or to be a big government organization to do this.

heartc · 09-19-17, 02:13 AM

That is part of what is bothering me about this story.

"Look guys! You don't need to be big gov for operating a U-Boat and a Space Program!"
- Ends up with chopped up people aboard.

Will surely put a damper on the efforts of the next guy thinking of something like that. Also, that's quite a stated purpose, I must say, when you are surrounded by governments - including the Danish - that pretty much consider you to be armed for owning a kitchen knife. Even if everything else is "right" with this story, you can be sure that the intelligence of this country wasn't just unfazed by such undertakings (and neither would they be in the US, for that matter). Oh, and him being obviously a smart guy, would probably be fully aware of that, which makes murdering a journalist on his boat all the more "surprising".

Rape is also what I first thought of, but wouldn't they come out right away and state such a suspicion rather quickly if that is what happened? Most anyone could probably believe that, but the fact that they didn't, seems to indicate that this isn't what happened here. Also, while it would be easy to imagine at first glance, OTOH it would still seem very strange for such a thing to have played out when the guy could probably get p**** just like that, what with his private sub and stuff, without having to resort to raping and chopping up journalists on the boat of his dreams. I realize people are not always acting rational, but that would still be quite a jump to make for someone who is that positively involved in creative work and with other people.

Buddahaid · 09-19-17, 02:23 AM

"Ends up with chopped up people aboard."

Is that established yet?

EDIT: I don't think that can be proven in any case. On board by DNA is likely, but it is already known she was on board alive so it has to be proven she met her demise on board.

Rip · 09-19-17, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by heartc

***snip**** assumption on each individual involved in pretty much uncontrolled operations with pretty much unlimited funds at their fingertips .****snip****

I can see you have never worked for an intelligence agency before.

heartc · 09-19-17, 03:29 AM

Yeah, I know, it could always be better, couldn't it. But you must know there are different layers of priority and not everyone might have to make do with what you got.

Sean C · 09-19-17, 03:55 AM

Well, this escalated quickly.

heartc · 09-19-17, 04:03 AM

Did it?

Obltn Strand · 09-19-17, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by McBeck

Peter told them she was dead and that he dumped her in water in the first interrogation the day after he was arrested. The public was not told about this until much later, which makes it seem like he changed he story when they couldnt find her.

I stand corrected. I bet this gets more news coverage in Denmark than Finland...

McBeck · 09-19-17, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by heartc

That is part of what is bothering me about this story.

"Look guys! You don't need to be big gov for operating a U-Boat and a Space Program!"
- Ends up with chopped up people aboard.

Why does it bother you? The sub&rockets efforts are not linked to the killing at all. The projects were done to build but also to inspire people. The technical university in Denmark has seen greater student count and interest derived from what these projects has shown.

BTW, If you really mean what you say,then you are also accusing all the people who worked on these projects...

McBeck · 09-19-17, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Obltn Strand

I stand corrected. I bet this gets more news coverage in Denmark than Finland...

It did. They live transmitted the hearing when they lifted the "closed door" policy on the investigation.
It also turned out that Peter and his lawyer had asked for this to be a public hearing from the very beginning, but the judge ruled against it - causing a great deal of speculation in the following 1,5 weeks.

Rockstar · 09-19-17, 08:22 AM

Probably the lawyer thinks he can beat the rap if he gets public air time and try to portray PM as bat sheet crazy insane. I say keep the doors closed, convict the s.o.b. and send him into prison general population and let them give him what he deserves.

Carotio · 10-03-17, 12:37 PM

https://www.bt.dk/krimi/raket-madsen...-hans-computer
https://www.bt.dk/danmark/juraprofes...er-madsens-sag

Videos and links to videos have been found on the computer found in the lab of PM. The videos contain fetish, violence, torture and murder of women. It appears the videos have been produced in a foreign country.
PM explains that other people, including a trainee, have had access to his lab.
A law professor from the University of Copenhagen agrees that it doesn't prove that he owns the videos, but those videos and other evidence still indicate that PM has a legal problem.
It was also revealed today that the torso had one stab wound in the chest and several stab wounds near the vagina. The articles from today doesn't say anything about PM's reaction to that. At least, I haven't seen any yet.

Schroeder · 10-03-17, 01:32 PM

It's getting really ugly now.

09-19-17, 12:11 AM	#286
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,566 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	We can all speculate forever, and draw lines in the sand to defend our castles, but I doubt we will never know. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

09-19-17, 02:13 AM	#289
heartc Samurai Navy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 562 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	That is part of what is bothering me about this story. "Look guys! You don't need to be big gov for operating a U-Boat and a Space Program!" - Ends up with chopped up people aboard. Will surely put a damper on the efforts of the next guy thinking of something like that. Also, that's quite a stated purpose, I must say, when you are surrounded by governments - including the Danish - that pretty much consider you to be armed for owning a kitchen knife. Even if everything else is "right" with this story, you can be sure that the intelligence of this country wasn't just unfazed by such undertakings (and neither would they be in the US, for that matter). Oh, and him being obviously a smart guy, would probably be fully aware of that, which makes murdering a journalist on his boat all the more "surprising". Rape is also what I first thought of, but wouldn't they come out right away and state such a suspicion rather quickly if that is what happened? Most anyone could probably believe that, but the fact that they didn't, seems to indicate that this isn't what happened here. Also, while it would be easy to imagine at first glance, OTOH it would still seem very strange for such a thing to have played out when the guy could probably get p**** just like that, what with his private sub and stuff, without having to resort to raping and chopping up journalists on the boat of his dreams. I realize people are not always acting rational, but that would still be quite a jump to make for someone who is that positively involved in creative work and with other people. __________________ Last edited by heartc; 09-19-17 at 04:16 AM.

09-19-17, 02:23 AM	#290
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,566 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	"Ends up with chopped up people aboard." Is that established yet? EDIT: I don't think that can be proven in any case. On board by DNA is likely, but it is already known she was on board alive so it has to be proven she met her demise on board. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

09-19-17, 03:29 AM	#292
heartc Samurai Navy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 562 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I know, it could always be better, couldn't it. But you must know there are different layers of priority and not everyone might have to make do with what you got. __________________

09-19-17, 04:03 AM	#294
heartc Samurai Navy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 562 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	Did it? __________________

09-19-17, 03:55 AM	#293
Sean C Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 909 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 2	Well, this escalated quickly.

09-19-17, 08:22 AM	#298
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,878 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Probably the lawyer thinks he can beat the rap if he gets public air time and try to portray PM as bat sheet crazy insane. I say keep the doors closed, convict the s.o.b. and send him into prison general population and let them give him what he deserves. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

10-03-17, 12:37 PM	#299
Carotio Mr. Bad Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aabenraa, Denmark Posts: 1,488 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	https://www.bt.dk/krimi/raket-madsen...-hans-computer https://www.bt.dk/danmark/juraprofes...er-madsens-sag Videos and links to videos have been found on the computer found in the lab of PM. The videos contain fetish, violence, torture and murder of women. It appears the videos have been produced in a foreign country. PM explains that other people, including a trainee, have had access to his lab. A law professor from the University of Copenhagen agrees that it doesn't prove that he owns the videos, but those videos and other evidence still indicate that PM has a legal problem. It was also revealed today that the torso had one stab wound in the chest and several stab wounds near the vagina. The articles from today doesn't say anything about PM's reaction to that. At least, I haven't seen any yet. __________________ Download my mods from SHMF Follow my photography here taler dansk, speak English, spreche Deutsch, parle français, forstår svenska/norsk, comprendo castellano

10-03-17, 01:32 PM	#300
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	It's getting really ugly now. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.