Strike on North Korea - Page 57

Jimbuna · 11-14-17, 02:29 PM

^Above thread merged to the already existing thread regarding NK.

Mr Quatro · 11-14-17, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Me neither but it would appear to have shut Kim up somewhat whilst Trump is on tour.

I fear what Rocket man will do if America turns on Trump to dump him.

Taunting is just 15 yards in football, but with Trump no telling what he will do.

Jimbuna · 11-14-17, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

I fear what Rocket man will do if America turns on Trump to dump him.

Taunting is just 15 yards in football, but with Trump no telling what he will do.

I should imagine Kim would then have to try and guess what the military command response would be and if it is because of an attack against US territory or that of her allies I would presume either scenario would bring about almost identical consequences.

Mr Quatro · 11-17-17, 05:02 PM

new NK submarine for rocket man to send out against imperial forces of America and it's allies

http://www.businessinsider.com/north...marine-2017-11

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Satellite images taken this month of a North Korean naval shipyard indicate Pyongyang is pursuing an "aggressive schedule" to build its first operational ballistic missile submarine, a U.S. institute reported on Thursday.

Washington-based 38 North, a North Korea monitoring project, cited images taken on Nov. 5 showing activity at North Korea's Sinpo South Shipyard.

"The presence of what appear to be sections of a submarine's pressure hull in the yards suggests construction of a new submarine, possibly the SINPO-C ballistic missile submarine - the follow-on to the current SINPO-class experimental ballistic missile submarine,"

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North Korea is also thought to be working on a solid-fuel missile for submarine launches.

Last month, The Diplomat magazine quoted a US government source as saying US military intelligence had detected a new diesel-electric submarine under construction at Sinpo and dubbed it the Sinpo-C.

Jimbuna · 11-18-17, 08:34 AM

Let em build it, launch it, then 'disappear' the moment it enters international waters.

STEED · 11-18-17, 08:40 AM

As said we can not act first, so its down to NK to keep the words of war going or the real thing that no one wants.

ikalugin · 11-18-17, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Let em build it, launch it, then 'disappear' the moment it enters international waters.

Illegal act of war?

Delgard · 11-18-17, 01:49 PM

I just read and thought the same thing.

Japan "could" shoot them down as they go over...

Rockstar · 11-18-17, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

Illegal act of war?

Its only illegal if you get caught.

Jimbuna · 11-19-17, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

Illegal act of war?

Just put it down as an unsolved, unfortunate incident, abit like the Cheonan.

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Its only illegal if you get caught.

Rgr that.

STEED · 11-19-17, 09:07 AM

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Donald Trump nuclear order could be refused - General John Hyten

General John Hyten suggests the President could be ignored if he ordered a nuclear strike on North Korea or anywhere else.

If Donald Tump ordered a nuclear strike that was not legal, the top US nuclear commander says he would not carry it out.

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...hyten-11134032

Can the President really be told no?

Delgard · 11-19-17, 10:53 AM

That has always been there to a fair degree; just not presented openly. What it does indicate is that if their was a 1st strike against the U.S., it might take some time to decide. Time is not what the U.S. will have, though.

Really, the issue is the mini-nuke use against a facility or other hardened target. But, that would be fully vetted by advisors and that includes the CG for STATCOM. It would mostly likely be a very large tele-conference.

If that one General has an issue, he would be removed hastily.

I fully believe that there is conscious and rational thought when their needs to be that. Listening to the press can be bad, very bad. They are out for profit, drama, and muck-racking.

Rockstar · 11-19-17, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...hyten-11134032

Can the President really be told no?

Yes the President can be told no. Contrary to popular believe a president cannot in any way shape or form on a whim launch a nuclear strike. As Delgard pointed out there is doctrine already in place which is to be followed after certain criteria has been met for such an event to happen.

mapuc · 11-19-17, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...hyten-11134032

Can the President really be told no?

Some weeks ago I saw an issue on our News channel, where some historian to US politics said something about

Nixon's last day in office. Another person(can't remember who) made a deal with some at NORAD-If Nixon order a nuclear strike they should call this person to get either a confirmation or a non-confirmation

Markus

Platapus · 11-19-17, 12:08 PM

It needs to be understood that the President is never in a position of making decisions without support. In the context of nuclear weapons, the primary decision support organization is the National Command Authority, of which the President is a member.

Any decision to launch nuclear weapons will originate from the NCA. The President, not only being a member of the NCA but also being the President is the person to issue the order "make it so".

It is literally inconceivable that the President has access to any information that the NCA does not have. The NCA's job it to always know more than the President knows so they can amply advise the President on any issue as critical as the use of nuclear weapons.

The President does not have any information that is not given to him by subordinate staff. The NCA, consisting of several individuals each with an extensive support staff, can naturally process more information than a single President. In short, the NCA tells the President "we need to launch nuclear weapons."

If the President were to suddenly decide to nuke Bolivia, the first thing the NCA would do is ask the President "why?" If anything nuke worthy was happening in Bolivia, the rest of the NCA as well as the JCS would already know. IN fact, it would be these groups and other groups that would be informing the President, not the other way around.

Any unexpected order to nuke a country without sound military rational would be suspect. This is why the SecDef has to approve the launch decision. Only the President can initiate the decision to launch, but in the case of an irrational decision, there are subordinate levels of protection.

The President is incapable of launching any nuclear weapons. The President has the capability to order the military to launch the nuclear weapons.

Contrary to popular belief, the President's decision to launch nuclear weapons is not the start of a nuclear decision process, but is actually near the end of nuclear decision process.

11-14-17, 02:29 PM	#841
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11-18-17, 08:34 AM	#845
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Let em build it, launch it, then 'disappear' the moment it enters international waters. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

11-18-17, 08:40 AM	#846
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	As said we can not act first, so its down to NK to keep the words of war going or the real thing that no one wants. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

11-19-17, 12:08 PM	#855
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,978 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	It needs to be understood that the President is never in a position of making decisions without support. In the context of nuclear weapons, the primary decision support organization is the National Command Authority, of which the President is a member. Any decision to launch nuclear weapons will originate from the NCA. The President, not only being a member of the NCA but also being the President is the person to issue the order "make it so". It is literally inconceivable that the President has access to any information that the NCA does not have. The NCA's job it to always know more than the President knows so they can amply advise the President on any issue as critical as the use of nuclear weapons. The President does not have any information that is not given to him by subordinate staff. The NCA, consisting of several individuals each with an extensive support staff, can naturally process more information than a single President. In short, the NCA tells the President "we need to launch nuclear weapons." If the President were to suddenly decide to nuke Bolivia, the first thing the NCA would do is ask the President "why?" If anything nuke worthy was happening in Bolivia, the rest of the NCA as well as the JCS would already know. IN fact, it would be these groups and other groups that would be informing the President, not the other way around. Any unexpected order to nuke a country without sound military rational would be suspect. This is why the SecDef has to approve the launch decision. Only the President can initiate the decision to launch, but in the case of an irrational decision, there are subordinate levels of protection. The President is incapable of launching any nuclear weapons. The President has the capability to order the military to launch the nuclear weapons. Contrary to popular belief, the President's decision to launch nuclear weapons is not the start of a nuclear decision process, but is actually near the end of nuclear decision process. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-18-17, 01:49 PM	#848
Delgard Skipper Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: AZ & DC Posts: 487 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	I just read and thought the same thing. Japan "could" shoot them down as they go over...

11-19-17, 10:53 AM	#852
Delgard Skipper Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: AZ & DC Posts: 487 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	That has always been there to a fair degree; just not presented openly. What it does indicate is that if their was a 1st strike against the U.S., it might take some time to decide. Time is not what the U.S. will have, though. Really, the issue is the mini-nuke use against a facility or other hardened target. But, that would be fully vetted by advisors and that includes the CG for STATCOM. It would mostly likely be a very large tele-conference. If that one General has an issue, he would be removed hastily. I fully believe that there is conscious and rational thought when their needs to be that. Listening to the press can be bad, very bad. They are out for profit, drama, and muck-racking.