Alexander Litvinenko Part II anybody? - Page 8

mapuc · 03-26-18, 05:36 PM

What I wonder is. Will it end here, after both side have expelled diplomats ?

Or will the stakes go higher ?

Markus

Skybird · 03-26-18, 06:57 PM

What stakes? Its all symbolical flim-flam.

If the West wants to react with something substantial, it would send one or two divisions into Eastern Europe. Have the navies running more close escort. Play tough in Syria, and bomb the Iranians out of there. Stop buying Russian gas.

Oh, wait - no divisions left. Navies overstretched. Hesitent indifference in Syria not to unsettle terrorist Islamic threat even more. And desperately depending on Russian gas. Well. Okay, poor man's solution then. Lets expel some diplomats to show how resolved we are.

For the Kremlin its a nice opportunity to send home dozens and hundreds of spying foreigners in Western embassies in Moscow. And they must not even say Spassiba!

"Call a fool that player who thinks the opponent will play accoriding to one's own plan." Said some famous chess player, but I forgot the name.

Weakness does what weakness is: weak.

Jimbuna · 03-27-18, 05:48 AM

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Russia has vowed a tough response to the decision by more than 20 countries to expel its diplomats in response to a nerve agent attack in the UK.

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov singled out the US after it expelled 60 diplomats and closed a consulate, but indicated dialogue would continue.

The expulsion of around 100 Russians is thought to be the largest in history.

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Russia's foreign ministry called the mass expulsions an "unfriendly act" and said it would "not go without notice and we will react to it".

The ministry is said to be drawing up a number of possible retaliatory measures for President Putin to consider.

One Russian senator, Vladimir Dzhabarov, was quoted as saying there would be a "tit-for-tat" response to the US' decision to expel 48 envoys at the Russian Embassy in Washington and 12 more at the UN in New York.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43550938

Shouldn't be long before said response is forthcoming.

Onkel Neal · 03-27-18, 05:59 AM

I don't see why Russia can't take out people in a civilized fashion, like the US does. Fly drones over other countries and hit them with Hellfire missiles.

Mr Quatro · 03-27-18, 06:05 AM

Most of them were spies anyway ... Seattle needs a Russian home office?

I don't think so

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...tle/ar-BBKIvFY

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President Trump on Monday ordered the expulsion of 60 Russian intelligence officers in the United States and the closure
of the Russian consulate in Seattle in response to the nerve agent attack on an ex-Russian spy in the U.K. earlier this month

Catfish · 03-27-18, 06:19 AM

@Neal:

Generally i think this all is a bit of an overreaction by the west.. why did that not happen after Litvinenko? I mean this case back then was much more clear than what has happened now?

Skybird · 03-27-18, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

take out people in a civilized fashion,

Ehem, that choice of wording one has to chew on and digest it a bit...

Lets keep the "civilised" thing out of it, and focus on taking the villain out with lesser collateral damage, if possible.

Russia often has used certain poisons in order to sign its assassinations without needing to openly confessing to them. By letting everybody know who it was, it sends a message.

"Civilised" behaviour is not what it is about, but determination. What is civilised behaviour in someone's eye, is indifference and weakness in somebody else's eye.

Skybird · 03-27-18, 09:03 AM

Hm. Damn internet. Think I fell for another opportunity to miss Neal's irony, or what?

Onkel Neal · 03-27-18, 06:48 PM

Hahah, yeah, got ya

Jimbuna · 03-30-18, 06:53 AM

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Yulia Skripal, the daughter of ex-spy Sergei Skripal, is improving rapidly and no longer in a critical condition, says the hospital treating her.

She and her father were admitted nearly four weeks ago after being exposed to a nerve agent in Salisbury.

The BBC understands from separate sources that Ms Skripal is conscious and talking.

However Mr Skripal remains in a critical but stable condition, Salisbury District Hospital said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43588450

I wonder if she will have any information that can help the investigation

Catfish · 03-30-18, 07:18 AM

^ probably not, the poison was attached to the home's keyhole or so i read.
Good that she made it. After all i think she had not much to do with the spy affairs, she became a victim of some state's or secret services' revenge.

Jimbuna · 03-30-18, 07:20 AM

^ Yeak, my understanding is that it was the front door handle

Rockstar · 03-30-18, 09:37 AM

article is dated Tue, 2006-12-19 01:59 PM. "Estimates show that approximately 300,000 Russians currently call London their home" So, I suppose with the influx of wealthy Russians into London. Doing things the Russian way in the U.K. were inevitable.

http://workpermit.com/news/300000-ru...ation-20061219

I wonder if Skripal never learned his lesson the first time and was still privy too or obtaining new information and passing it to British agencies.

Mr Quatro · 03-30-18, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43588450

I wonder if she will have any information that can help the investigation

Remember all of those old movies where the authorities made it look like the victim was still alive in order to trick the murderer into coming back to finish the job?

Maybe this is like in one of those movies

Jimbuna · 04-05-18, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Russian spy poisoning: Yulia Skripal 'getting stronger daily'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43652574

A small snippet of positive news.

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Russia's proposal for a new, joint investigation into the poisoning of an ex-spy and his daughter in England has been voted down at the international chemical weapons watchdog at The Hague.

Russia has accused Britain of blocking access to an investigation being carried out by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).

Britain earlier said Russia's call for an inquiry with the UK was "perverse".

Russia lost the vote by 15 votes to six, while 17 member states abstained.

China, Azerbaijan, Sudan, Algeria and Iran were among the countries that backed Russia's motion at the OPCW executive council, Reuters reported.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43648343

The latest development.

03-26-18, 06:57 PM	#107
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,545 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	What stakes? Its all symbolical flim-flam. If the West wants to react with something substantial, it would send one or two divisions into Eastern Europe. Have the navies running more close escort. Play tough in Syria, and bomb the Iranians out of there. Stop buying Russian gas. Oh, wait - no divisions left. Navies overstretched. Hesitent indifference in Syria not to unsettle terrorist Islamic threat even more. And desperately depending on Russian gas. Well. Okay, poor man's solution then. Lets expel some diplomats to show how resolved we are. For the Kremlin its a nice opportunity to send home dozens and hundreds of spying foreigners in Western embassies in Moscow. And they must not even say Spassiba! "Call a fool that player who thinks the opponent will play accoriding to one's own plan." Said some famous chess player, but I forgot the name. Weakness does what weakness is: weak. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-27-18, 05:59 AM	#109
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,289 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	I don't see why Russia can't take out people in a civilized fashion, like the US does. Fly drones over other countries and hit them with Hellfire missiles. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

03-27-18, 06:19 AM	#111
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	@Neal: Generally i think this all is a bit of an overreaction by the west.. why did that not happen after Litvinenko? I mean this case back then was much more clear than what has happened now? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

03-27-18, 09:03 AM	#113
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,545 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Hm. Damn internet. Think I fell for another opportunity to miss Neal's irony, or what? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,289 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	Hahah, yeah, got ya __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

03-26-18, 05:36 PM	#106
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,933 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	What I wonder is. Will it end here, after both side have expelled diplomats ? Or will the stakes go higher ? Markus

03-30-18, 07:18 AM	#116
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ probably not, the poison was attached to the home's keyhole or so i read. Good that she made it. After all i think she had not much to do with the spy affairs, she became a victim of some state's or secret services' revenge. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

03-30-18, 07:20 AM	#117
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	^ Yeak, my understanding is that it was the front door handle __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

03-30-18, 09:37 AM	#118
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,864 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	article is dated Tue, 2006-12-19 01:59 PM. "Estimates show that approximately 300,000 Russians currently call London their home" So, I suppose with the influx of wealthy Russians into London. Doing things the Russian way in the U.K. were inevitable. http://workpermit.com/news/300000-ru...ation-20061219 I wonder if Skripal never learned his lesson the first time and was still privy too or obtaining new information and passing it to British agencies. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.