Alexander Litvinenko Part II anybody? - Page 4

Skybird · 03-13-18, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Just come across this post elsewhere and I must say, I believe it to be a pretty fair summary/reality check.

Whoever it was who wrote that, he seems to tick a bit like me.

Jimbuna · 03-13-18, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Whoever it was who wrote that, he seems to tick a bit like me.

The tought had crossed my mind

Jimbuna · 03-13-18, 11:54 AM

Theresa May has given Russia until midnight GMT to respond but Russia has said it will not co-operate with the UK inquiry until it has been given a sample of the substance used and foreign minister Sergei Lavrov described claims of state involvement as "rubbish".

I don't think I'll try holding my breath.

Mr Quatro · 03-13-18, 01:40 PM

Who would open the mail Jim?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/03...-uk-media.html

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Britain has given Russia until midnight Tuesday to explain how a Russian-made nerve agent came to be used in an English city, or face retaliatory measures.

The Russian Embassy in London says Moscow won't respond to a British ultimatum unless it gets samples of the nerve agent used in the attack on a former spy and his daughter.

Mr Quatro · 03-13-18, 01:46 PM

Ought Oh something must going around London town: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nikolai-gl...160000609.html

Nikolai Glushkov: Russian associate of leading Putin critic Boris Berezovsky found dead in UK

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A Russian man who was associated with a leading critic of Vladimir Putin has been found dead at his London home.

Police said Nikolai Glushkov’s death was being treated as “unexplained” and his family have been informed.

A spokesperson for the Metropolitan Police said its counter-terrorism command was leading the investigation “as a precaution because of the associations that the man is believed to have had”, but there was no immediate evidence of a link to the Salisbury nerve agent attack.

mapuc · 03-13-18, 03:23 PM

It was late this night when I read Skybirds response to my comments

I feel that it may come to this-A deep diplomatically crisis between England/NATO and Russia.
Or if it goes really bad a state of war between Russia and NATO

And another Russian have been found dead, killed.

Are Putin playing a high risk game or is someone somewhere in the Russian agency acting on his or acting on their own ?

If it is Putin who have gave the order -
Then the question is: What is his purpose/his goal ?

If it is someone else-Putin not aware off or haven't ordered this
Why is the only question here.

Markus

Catfish · 03-13-18, 03:35 PM

As Mr Quatro said, the next one has been killed in England.
It seems Putin sees no risk in doing what he does, he even boasted:

Vladamir Putin made the threats during a television appearance in 2010
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8243206.html

Also, a few days ago:

"Russian state television has warned “traitors” and Kremlin critics that they should not settle in England because of an increased risk of dying in mysterious circumstances.

“Don’t choose England as a place to live. Whatever the reasons, whether you’re a professional traitor to the motherland or you just hate your country in your spare time, I repeat, no matter, don’t move to England,” the presenter Kirill Kleymenov said during a news programme on Channel One, state TV’s flagship station.

“Something is not right there. Maybe it’s the climate. But in recent years there have been too many strange incidents with a grave outcome. People get hanged, poisoned, they die in helicopter crashes and fall out of windows in industrial quantities,” Kleymenov said."

Also sad is the US and Trump's 'friendship' towards Putin. "Donald Trump’s caprice is not Mrs May’s fault. But she is in charge of Brexit – a pointless hindrance to coordination with fellow European democracies. She states often that UK exit from the EU signals no reduction in commitment to European security. It is sad that this even needs saying."

mapuc · 03-13-18, 04:37 PM

Only one thing to say

Dangerous game Mr. Putin is playing.

Markus

Skybird · 03-13-18, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Only one thing to say

Dangerous game Mr. Putin is playing.

Markus

For him - or for us?

mapuc · 03-13-18, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

For him - or for us?

Mostly for him. It could backfire.

Markus

Jimbuna · 03-14-18, 06:38 AM

The deadline has passed and as expected, the Russians failed to respond so Mrs May will be briefed by senior intelligence chiefs in Downing Street ahead of giving an update to MPs later.

She will make a statement to the House of Commons after midday's Prime Minister's Questions.

The Kremlin said any steps by the PM would lead to "retaliatory measures" and if I'm to be honest, that does concern me because Russia will probably act disproportionally.

Catfish · 03-14-18, 07:16 AM

Well the russian reaction (reaction? really??) maybe disproportionate, but on the other hand will it be better to appease Russia, or better, Putin?

I take it that Putin looks at the "elections", and however rigged and faulty they will be (lacking alternatives for reasons of killing or jailing political competitors and critics) it is important for alpha animals to present themselves in the best of light and as the shining winners, especially when it comes to exterior politics and "patriotism". Being caught red-handed in dirty operations is not what Putin appreciates.

True, the UK/Russia double agents certainly knew what they did and probably never slept well again after defecting (innocence is not a fitting word), but killing their children, killing Putin critics and risking the killing of british innocents in a collateral damage on english grounds..

It also may be possible that they may have been killed by other secret services for whatever reason, of course. If you read Smiley's people it may be all possible.
But the use of that special Sarin-successor makes any non-russian interference unlikely.

Regarding the support of Europe to the Uk this is self-evident, the question is what we can do.

Threatening to shut down RT (Russia today) seems to have hit a nerve. It also shows how "independent and neutral" the latter obviously is... lol

Catfish · 03-14-18, 08:55 AM

UK to expel russian diplomats:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43402506

August · 03-14-18, 10:18 AM

Another murder, this time strangling:

https://nypost.com/2018/03/13/anti-p...s-london-home/

Jimbuna · 03-14-18, 11:01 AM

Russia is fast becoming a rogue state and if this keeps up we may well see a return of the cold war.

03-13-18, 11:54 AM	#48
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Theresa May has given Russia until midnight GMT to respond but Russia has said it will not co-operate with the UK inquiry until it has been given a sample of the substance used and foreign minister Sergei Lavrov described claims of state involvement as "rubbish". I don't think I'll try holding my breath. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

03-13-18, 03:35 PM	#52
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	As Mr Quatro said, the next one has been killed in England. It seems Putin sees no risk in doing what he does, he even boasted: Vladamir Putin made the threats during a television appearance in 2010 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8243206.html Also, a few days ago: "Russian state television has warned “traitors” and Kremlin critics that they should not settle in England because of an increased risk of dying in mysterious circumstances. “Don’t choose England as a place to live. Whatever the reasons, whether you’re a professional traitor to the motherland or you just hate your country in your spare time, I repeat, no matter, don’t move to England,” the presenter Kirill Kleymenov said during a news programme on Channel One, state TV’s flagship station. “Something is not right there. Maybe it’s the climate. But in recent years there have been too many strange incidents with a grave outcome. People get hanged, poisoned, they die in helicopter crashes and fall out of windows in industrial quantities,” Kleymenov said." Also sad is the US and Trump's 'friendship' towards Putin. "Donald Trump’s caprice is not Mrs May’s fault. But she is in charge of Brexit – a pointless hindrance to coordination with fellow European democracies. She states often that UK exit from the EU signals no reduction in commitment to European security. It is sad that this even needs saying." __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

03-14-18, 06:38 AM	#56
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The deadline has passed and as expected, the Russians failed to respond so Mrs May will be briefed by senior intelligence chiefs in Downing Street ahead of giving an update to MPs later. She will make a statement to the House of Commons after midday's Prime Minister's Questions. The Kremlin said any steps by the PM would lead to "retaliatory measures" and if I'm to be honest, that does concern me because Russia will probably act disproportionally. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

03-14-18, 07:16 AM	#57
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Well the russian reaction (reaction? really??) maybe disproportionate, but on the other hand will it be better to appease Russia, or better, Putin? I take it that Putin looks at the "elections", and however rigged and faulty they will be (lacking alternatives for reasons of killing or jailing political competitors and critics) it is important for alpha animals to present themselves in the best of light and as the shining winners, especially when it comes to exterior politics and "patriotism". Being caught red-handed in dirty operations is not what Putin appreciates. True, the UK/Russia double agents certainly knew what they did and probably never slept well again after defecting (innocence is not a fitting word), but killing their children, killing Putin critics and risking the killing of british innocents in a collateral damage on english grounds.. It also may be possible that they may have been killed by other secret services for whatever reason, of course. If you read Smiley's people it may be all possible. But the use of that special Sarin-successor makes any non-russian interference unlikely. Regarding the support of Europe to the Uk this is self-evident, the question is what we can do. Threatening to shut down RT (Russia today) seems to have hit a nerve. It also shows how "independent and neutral" the latter obviously is... lol __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 03-14-18 at 08:57 AM.*

03-14-18, 08:55 AM	#58
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	UK to expel russian diplomats: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43402506 __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

03-13-18, 03:23 PM	#51
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,933 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	It was late this night when I read Skybirds response to my comments I feel that it may come to this-A deep diplomatically crisis between England/NATO and Russia. Or if it goes really bad a state of war between Russia and NATO And another Russian have been found dead, killed. Are Putin playing a high risk game or is someone somewhere in the Russian agency acting on his or acting on their own ? If it is Putin who have gave the order - Then the question is: What is his purpose/his goal ? If it is someone else-Putin not aware off or haven't ordered this Why is the only question here. Markus

03-13-18, 04:37 PM	#53
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,933 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Only one thing to say Dangerous game Mr. Putin is playing. Markus

03-14-18, 10:18 AM	#59
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,682 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Another murder, this time strangling: https://nypost.com/2018/03/13/anti-p...s-london-home/ __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

03-14-18, 11:01 AM	#60
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Russia is fast becoming a rogue state and if this keeps up we may well see a return of the cold war. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)