Fatigue modelling

BigWalleye · 04-03-14, 11:21 AM

Like a lot of others before me, I am trying to create a fatigue model for SH3 that "feels right" to me. So far, in experimenting with the various parameters, I have not been able to see any effect for changes to the Regular Factor fatigue coefficient. Does anyone know when the Regular Factor comes into play and how it interacts with the Specific Factor? Based on my trials, fatigue accumulation seems to be affected only by the Specific Factor. The "X0" and "X1" factors for each compartment apply when surfaced and submerged, respectively. Accumulation can be turned on and off by TC, thresholding at the "3D Views" limit, but doesn't seem to be affected by anything else. Can anyone tell me what I am missing?

I have done all the Google mining I could think of and haven't turned up anything still out there related to this topic except the GWX manual. Anyone know of any other sources?

LGN1 · 04-03-14, 01:55 PM

Hi BigWalleye,

I don't know whether you have found this thread already, but in this thread is all I know about it:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=175645&page=2

Regards, LGN1

BigWalleye · 04-03-14, 04:05 PM

Thank you LGN1. No, I had missed that one. It answers a lot of my questions. In particular, there is apparently no way to differentiate between combat and non-combat situations (except by the very kludgy TC switch). I wanted a system where I, as boat commander, didn't have to get involved in crew management under ordinary circumstances, but where prolonged combat could cause the crew to become exhausted. SH4 works very well in that regard: Normally, the crew rotates by themselves and the player doesn't need to get involved. Occasionally, you might want to put your best "eyes" on lookout, for example, but generally, you could leave them alone. In combat situations, to achieve maximum efficiency, you have to go to General Quarters. Then, everyone fatigues and no one rotates out, so the whole crew can become exhausted. The skipper has a time limit on how long he can work the men at peak efficiency, as he should. That model seems to best simulate the historical problems facing a commander, as I have read about them.

Now, I don't care whether there are rotating watches or not. I can live without that detail being simulated. But there doesn't seem to be any way to cause fatigue to accumulate faster in combat than when transiting the rear area. I could tuck all the lads into their little beds every eight hours, but that's not a job for the boat commander. There are junior petty officers to do that!

Oh, well. I think it's back to "No Fatigue." Or possibly, adopt the NYGM "combat fatigue" model.

Thanks again for the link. It really has a lot of good information. And makes the limits of SH3 more understandable.

captgeo · 04-03-14, 07:53 PM

being a new player to SH3 and the MOD's that go with it (GWX gold ) I find it a bit tedious to have to micro manage the crew in regards to the fatigue issue,

I hope it can be improved

04-03-14, 11:21 AM	#1
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Fatigue modelling Like a lot of others before me, I am trying to create a fatigue model for SH3 that "feels right" to me. So far, in experimenting with the various parameters, I have not been able to see any effect for changes to the Regular Factor fatigue coefficient. Does anyone know when the Regular Factor comes into play and how it interacts with the Specific Factor? Based on my trials, fatigue accumulation seems to be affected only by the Specific Factor. The "X0" and "X1" factors for each compartment apply when surfaced and submerged, respectively. Accumulation can be turned on and off by TC, thresholding at the "3D Views" limit, but doesn't seem to be affected by anything else. Can anyone tell me what I am missing? I have done all the Google mining I could think of and haven't turned up anything still out there related to this topic except the GWX manual. Anyone know of any other sources?

04-03-14, 07:53 PM	#4
captgeo Samurai Navy Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 550 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	being a new player to SH3 and the MOD's that go with it (GWX gold ) I find it a bit tedious to have to micro manage the crew in regards to the fatigue issue, I hope it can be improved __________________

04-03-14, 01:55 PM	#2
LGN1 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,138 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 12	Hi BigWalleye, I don't know whether you have found this thread already, but in this thread is all I know about it: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=175645&page=2 Regards, LGN1

04-03-14, 04:05 PM	#3
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Thank you LGN1. No, I had missed that one. It answers a lot of my questions. In particular, there is apparently no way to differentiate between combat and non-combat situations (except by the very kludgy TC switch). I wanted a system where I, as boat commander, didn't have to get involved in crew management under ordinary circumstances, but where prolonged combat could cause the crew to become exhausted. SH4 works very well in that regard: Normally, the crew rotates by themselves and the player doesn't need to get involved. Occasionally, you might want to put your best "eyes" on lookout, for example, but generally, you could leave them alone. In combat situations, to achieve maximum efficiency, you have to go to General Quarters. Then, everyone fatigues and no one rotates out, so the whole crew can become exhausted. The skipper has a time limit on how long he can work the men at peak efficiency, as he should. That model seems to best simulate the historical problems facing a commander, as I have read about them. Now, I don't care whether there are rotating watches or not. I can live without that detail being simulated. But there doesn't seem to be any way to cause fatigue to accumulate faster in combat than when transiting the rear area. I could tuck all the lads into their little beds every eight hours, but that's not a job for the boat commander. There are junior petty officers to do that! Oh, well. I think it's back to "No Fatigue." Or possibly, adopt the NYGM "combat fatigue" model. Thanks again for the link. It really has a lot of good information. And makes the limits of SH3 more understandable.