Expelled student armed with assault rifle slaughters 17 at Florida high school

[Delgard]

It's about values. The right to own a gun, by a stable persn, is a cherished right.

Pornography is known to skew many relationships.

I am typing on a phone. That is it in a nutshell....

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Just read that the parliament of Florida shortly debated and refused tighter gun laws - and that they debated in length pornography and decided stricter regulations, saying that porn is a hazard to health.
*Can one be even more schizophrenic?

*Maybe by saying that bombing the hell out of civilians in Syriah is collateral damage?
Or condemning Turkey for becoming a dictatorship trying to exterminate Kurds, while selling
them weapons for crowd control, and tanks and jets?

We already heard here that access to guns has nothing to do with the school shootings. Of course i do not agree. There is no discussion why guns are more dangerous than e.g. knives, and why they lead to another attitude in certain people.
This article is from 2012, after another school shooting:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...lture-violence

But Porn is a hazard to health? Like what the good old Onan in the bible did gives you weak knees and all that?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Delgard

It's about values. The right to own a gun, by a stable persn, is a cherished right.

Pornography is known to skew many relationships.

I am typing on a phone. That is it in a nutshell....

Please. Not this opportunistic pseudo-rationality again. Its an offence to the dead and those they left behind and who miss them.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Please. Not this opportunistic pseudo-rationality again. Its an offence to the dead and those they left behind and who miss them.

A couple of things.

Where do you get off determining what is or isn't an offense to the dead?
Why ask a question if you're just going to mock people when they try to answer it?

[Mr Quatro]

A hero at (15)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ing/357885002/

A 15-year-old high school student who died helping classmates escape from a gunman at a Florida high school last week was posthumously accepted to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point on Tuesday.

Peter Wang earned admission to the prestigious military academy for his "heroic actions on Feb. 14, 2018," at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., West Point said in a statement. Witnesses and authorities said Wang, who dreamt of attending West Point, died in his JROTC uniform while holding a school door open so classmates and faculty could escape. Wang was one of 17 people gunned down during the shooting.

He was buried in his JROTC uniform on Tuesday.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Just read that the parliament of Florida shortly debated and refused tighter gun laws - and that they debated in length pornography and decided stricter regulations, saying that porn is a hazard to health.

Can one be even more schizophrenic?

You have just begun to grasp US politics, Grasshopper...

When faced with actually having to deal with a real-time issue, the Far Right and those leaning have always tried to deflect by going after what they feel will distract the proles from asking questions; they just trot out all the usual 'suspects' they can huff and puff and loudly and tritely moralize about, things like the porn you mentioned, or abortion, prayer in schools, not standing for the Pledge of Allegiance, kneeling during the National Anthem, etc., etc.; anything they think can buy them enough time they hope will make the actual issue(s) go away from the public interest, because, hey, the elected officials on the FR aren't really in office for the public interest...










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[vienna]

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[mapuc]

I feel a little shame about the Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke.

In a tweet to Trump he wrote

And I quote
"Do not intend to interfere, but allow me to give a Danish perspective
@realDonaldTrump, please, response to the request of your youngsters who demands gun control. Don't accept the world record in school shoutings. Make America great and safe again"

Shame he interferes with an American domestic problem and that he, as a prime minister with people around him couldn't write the word shooting correctly.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Even the people complaining don't really have an idea what can be done. IMO it should have been handled at home, in the neighborhood, school, doctors office and state levels long before it got to this point. Apathy at those levels is what permitted this to happen in the first place. Screaming at Trump to do something is just political drama that goes no where. Since we don't live in a dictatorship nor do we have a king there is very little if anything Trump can do on his own.

What about personal responsibility. Who gave the kid the key to the gun box? Does anyone here know yet the details how exactly he got possession of the rifle?

Kids suffering from post traumatic stress and late night comedy show hosts taking advantage of peoples emotions for the ratings isn't going to provide any sensible answers either.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

A couple of things.

Where do you get off determining what is or isn't an offense to the dead?
Why ask a question if you're just going to mock people when they try to answer it?

You dont need me to play ping pong. A wall will suffice.

[Rockstar]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...201216104.html

In addition to apathy there are the lawsuits. Still how did he come into possession of that rifle who was it that permitted that?

[Delgard]

I suppose I give a little more credit. But, I do know that lumping them into two party's is not valid anymore. To much divisiveness, kind of like society. No trust of one-another, even a little cooperation is jumped upon as being weak. Really, a death struggle where both end up losing and the people in turn.

Those holdout extremists from each party are preventing a consensus for the middle, which is the majority of the people. Looking at these middle individuals, their views span both sides, depending on the issue. They would appreciate getting farther than where we have come with current issues.

Just for myself, I believe in the right to a gun, since I live in the desert and we have border issues. I have fired it into the air. My son learned early to hit 911 and put the phone down. Someone is not defending the border.

Going back to pornography, it is not appreciated as art. What is displayed is not respected. There is a great inability to respect. So easy to be the rude American.

I liked the stance of standing for the Anthem. Go on the field, meet your opponent, beat them. Bring honor to your people for American courage and purpose.

The abortion issue. It has its place. Something unusual, though is that those that have had a child, having an abortion is next to nil. But a 19yo...

An experienced adult knows what it means to have a weapon, but a 19yo...

There is responsibility, and, some are mentally incapable of being that way.

Is this left or right...or is it just part of the middle.

[Onkel Neal]

Anyone have a link to the CNN townhall? I have found clips, but I would like to watch the whole thing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/polit...ing/index.html

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Anyone have a link to the CNN townhall? I have found clips, but I would like to watch the whole thing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/polit...ing/index.html

[Mr Quatro]

There was an armed guard outside the building when the shooting occurred:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-did-not-go-in

The armed deputy who was on campus at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school when a gunman massacred 17 people stood outside the building as it occurred and did not go in to engage the shooter, the Broward County sheriff, Scott Israel, said on Thursday.

When asked what Peterson should have done, Israel said the deputy should have “went in, addressed the killer, killed the killer”.

The sheriff said he was “devastated, sick to my stomach. There are no words.”

Lawsuit in progress ... someone is going go broke over this one