US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Dowly]

So... Trump's masterplan to get Mexico pay for the wall is a 20% tax on products from Mexico.

Erm... what happens if the companies just decide to raise their prices +20%?

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

So... Trump's masterplan to get Mexico pay for the wall is a 20% tax on products from Mexico.

Erm... what happens if the companies just decide to raise their prices +20%?

Mexican produced goods become more expensive?

[Bilge_Rat]

Trump's approval rating is now at 59%:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._index_history

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Dowly

So... Trump's masterplan to get Mexico pay for the wall is a 20% tax on products from Mexico.

Erm... what happens if the companies just decide to raise their prices +20%?

well actually that is the GOP plan, most countries already have a tax on imports. Canada is part of NAFTA, but U.S. goods are still subject to a 13-15% import tax (i.e. GST/HST).

Doesn't Finland have a 24% VAT on imported goods?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Dowly

So... Trump's masterplan to get Mexico pay for the wall is a 20% tax on products from Mexico.

Erm... what happens if the companies just decide to raise their prices +20%?

That is what will happen in part. The US citizen pays for it. Trump backed up this assertion on the 20%. Either way, the border needs to be secured.

At the end of the day Trump was looking to raise tariff for goods out of Mexico to the US. This maneuver to stop US companies from going to Mexico and building factories.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Mexican produced goods become more expensive?

Yes, to cover the 20% tariff. Where else would it come from?

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Is that viewed as an issue in the US?

Because if something like this does happen in Russia, in addition to the control by the state and the public (which may be imperfect in our society), we get all those US funded political activists who would flock to such election violation cases (including the ones they make up to justify their existance but that is another matter entirely).

It's only an issue when people are trying to make political points, Jill Stein's recount requests are a case in point. Or Al Gore's back in 2000.

Voter fraud on a scale to effect a national election just isn't currently feasible.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Meanwhile in Russia Sergei Mikhailov, the second-highest-ranking officer in the cyber-intelligence unit of the Federal Security Service (FSB), and Ruslan Stoyanov, a private cybersecurity analyst specializing in antivirus programs—were arrested on charges of treason.

Makes you ponder...

Originally Posted by Catfish

Stoyanov's AntiVirus software might have found their own russian sniffing software and botnets, so...

Regarding Mikhailov maybe he becomes the scapegoat for influencing the US elections if such action is being found out; Putin of course has nothing to do with it. He's such a good friend of Trump, and threatened with the third world war would Hillary have been elected (if anyone remembers that).

The classical clichés do not work anymore, America's new Right is now pro Russian, while Obama and Hillary are not. May and Merkel are also anti-russian; May because fearing european trade could shift away from the UK to the east, and Merkel has not yet caught wind of the US government mind change.

What will they think of next...

Nah, it was an internal thing, this arrest is a part of investigation of a hacker group that was hacking internal political stuff, like Medvedev's twitter and leaking various stuff.

Lately it went comercial (ie selling secrets for money rather than leaking them for political reasons) and this may be why they got screwed. You can access their twitter here:
https://twitter.com/b0ltai

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Trump's approval rating is now at 59%:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._index_history

Interesting! Thanks for posting BR!

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by MaDef

Voter fraud on a scale to effect a national election just isn't currently feasible.

Why? The system appears to be vulnerable.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

If the voting systems are separate for each state, what precludes you picking up voters from one state and them moving them to vote to another and as such make them vote twice?

The systems would need to be designed to not allow moving votes electronically. Standardize the voting machines for each state. These machines are coded for the state and not connected to other states. Each machine will have a second code for individual counties within the state. Again, each machine for each county are not connected.

***Keep the Russian out of them***

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The systems would need to be designed to not allow moving votes electronically. Standardize the voting machines for each state. These machines are coded for the state and not connected to other states. Each machine will have a second code for individual counties within the state. Again, each machine for each county are not connected.

***Keep the Russian out of them***

Sorry, I fail to understand your point. What are you trying to say?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Sorry, I fail to understand your point. What are you trying to say?

You inquired about moving votes from state to state. What would prevent that? Each state has their own machines that are coded for that state only.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Dowly

So... Trump's masterplan to get Mexico pay for the wall is a 20% tax on products from Mexico.

Erm... what happens if the companies just decide to raise their prices +20%?

The American consumer gets screwed, businesses don't move back to the States, and the fact that tariffs are bad for business is proven yet again as it has been over and over and over in history.

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/201...l-cost-money./

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The American consumer gets screwed, businesses don't move back to the States, and the fact that tariffs are bad for business is proven yet again as it has been over and over and over in history.

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/201...l-cost-money./

Were already getting screwed ... our own cars and trucks coming cross the border on semi's with car trailers to sell in America.

I'll be glad to pay more for the beer and avocados too.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...gn=pubexchange

Mexico sent $295 billion worth of goods across the U.S. border in 2015, the office of the Trade Representative says. Overall, U.S. imports from its southern neighbor peaked at $316.4 billion that year. That's in contrast to Mexican-bound exports from the U.S. that amounted to $267.2 billion.

The biggest import is cars, with the U.S. spending $74 billion in 2015 for the hundreds of thousands of Chevrolet and Ram trucks, as well as Volkswagens, Fords, Hondas, Nissans and other brands that are assembled in Mexican factories.