CTD Everytime in AN54

THEBERBSTER · 05-01-18, 07:17 AM

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What is your game installation path?
You do not want to install your game in the Program files x86 directory as it has restrictions which can cause problems.
Run all you applications as administrators as well.
Please post your mod list.
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David I · 05-01-18, 08:44 AM

Well I don't know if this helps, but one of the basics of saving the game is not to do that within 50km of land. If you saved as you left the harbor and you were within 50km your inviting a crash.

The other basics are not saving while in sight of an enemy or while submerged.

Hope that helps.

David I

CaptBones · 05-01-18, 11:16 AM

Well, I'm no expert and not an authority of any sort on the mysteries of SHIII...but...what THEBERBSTER pointed to should help you out.

Before I increased my machine's RAM and upgraded SH3.exe with the 4gb patch (or LAA), I had experienced saved games crashing when I was within 50km of anything when I saved and exited the game. Saving within 50km of land, ships, planes...anything including ships that I'd just recently sunk...seemed to be "poison".

Since you pointed out that the sound.act file seems to be the culprit, I'm wondering of you were inside that 50km zone from a ship, or ships, that you had recently sunk, but were still in existence below the "sea surface" slowly sinking and generating the sinking noises (even if you aren't within "hearing" range) that continue until the wreck gets to the bottom and "dissolves". Or, perhaps you were within 50km of another noise generating ship, including those in harbor.

Those problems that I experienced almost all seemed to go away when I applied the 4gb patch, but I still pay heed to that 50km "rule".

Good luck...good hunting...sink 'em all!

schlechter pfennig · 05-01-18, 12:29 PM

Would you, please, post the list of mods you are running?

TiberiusoftheSea · 05-01-18, 05:11 PM

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You need to install the Large Address Aware (LAA) application to increase the games memory.
Large Address Aware (LAA) > Download Link < Essential Application for SH4
Further information can be found in my SH4 tutorials.

What is your game installation path?
You do not want to install your game in the Program files x86 directory as it has restrictions which can cause problems.
Run all you applications as administrators as well.
Please post your mod list.
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Thanks for the welcome. I've already got HsieOptionsSelector installed using the V16B1-Patch-Kit which includes the 4GB patch - I assume LAA would be pointless on top of it? Also, you've stated it's for SH4?

Game installation was initially on a 1tb HDD used for only games - my C drive is on an SSD. When I re-installed SH3 this time around, I installed it directly on my SSD but in its own folder; I stayed away from the Program Files folders.

Regarding my mod list... In my infinite wisdom four years ago, I copied across my mods, images etc to an external drive for backup. Along the way I've somehow managed to rename them... Yeah... I know what they are, but not what they were originally called

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Originally Posted by David I

Well I don't know if this helps, but one of the basics of saving the game is not to do that within 50km of land. If you saved as you left the harbor and you were within 50km your inviting a crash.

The other basics are not saving while in sight of an enemy or while submerged.

Hope that helps.

David I

Hi David. I had read somewhere once that there was a suggested "safe zone" for saving the game though I thought it was 30km. Not sure why I thought that but thanks for telling me it is actually 50km. With my original install, of course I was in the actual harbor and the game would have crashed around the 50km mark so you may be on to something there. However... with my latest install and fresh start, I saved many miles (200km+) out to sea and still CTD in AN54.

I've never saved while submerged - again I read it somewhere once. In fact, I always save on the surface with no ships around and after pressing F2. Probably doesn't affect anything, but always did it that way. The only exception is immediately after starting a patrol. My initial save is while at the dock/port and that save always loads 100% fine.

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Originally Posted by CaptBones

Well, I'm no expert and not an authority of any sort on the mysteries of SHIII...but...what THEBERBSTER pointed to should help you out.

Before I increased my machine's RAM and upgraded SH3.exe with the 4gb patch (or LAA), I had experienced saved games crashing when I was within 50km of anything when I saved and exited the game. Saving within 50km of land, ships, planes...anything including ships that I'd just recently sunk...seemed to be "poison".

Since you pointed out that the sound.act file seems to be the culprit, I'm wondering of you were inside that 50km zone from a ship, or ships, that you had recently sunk, but were still in existence below the "sea surface" slowly sinking and generating the sinking noises (even if you aren't within "hearing" range) that continue until the wreck gets to the bottom and "dissolves". Or, perhaps you were within 50km of another noise generating ship, including those in harbor.

Those problems that I experienced almost all seemed to go away when I applied the 4gb patch, but I still pay heed to that 50km "rule".

Good luck...good hunting...sink 'em all!

Thanks for the detailed reply. As mentioned above in this reply thread, I have the 4GB patch already installed. It does make a huge difference. Shame I can't utilize the full 16GB I have available though (SH3 remake anyone?)

With the CTD I had the first time round, I'd sunk eight ships so could well believe those were the "poison" that caused it, however with my new install, I hadn't fired a single shot. I have noticed that some of the harbor ships in Wilhelmshaven and Kiel tend to beach themselves and burn but always assumed this was a bug in GWX? Aside from them, I simply went on patrol. No damage dealt.

Regarding the sound.act bug... does anyone know why it causes a crash? I have modified many of the stock sounds in the game sampling from various mods as well as my own material however the bug occurs with or without those sound mods installed.

As above, I was aware there was a "safe zone" for saving and am confident I was well outside of any danger when I saved. I have a screen shot taken just before the CTD and we're looking at 200km + easily.

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Originally Posted by schlechter pfennig

Would you, please, post the list of mods you are running?

Regarding my mod list... In my infinite wisdom four years ago, I copied across my mods, images etc to an external drive for backup. Along the way I've somehow managed to rename them... Yeah... I know what they are, but not what they were originally called

Thanks all for your replies. Although I still have this issue, its been a pleasure

stork100 · 05-01-18, 07:00 PM

Hi TiberiusoftheSea,

Just a suggestion regarding CTD when loading saves. I run a similar install to you: disk version SH3, Win7 64bit, GWX 3.0, V16B1 kit with 4gb patch included plus a stack of other mods.

If you haven't already, as THEBERBSTER pointed out, run your SH3.exe as administrator and in compatability mode for WinXP Service Pack 3. I can't say whether these settings will fix your problem loading saves, but they worked wonders for me and I can't recommend them highly enough.

Once applied, I went from about a 20% failure rate of loading saves to zero. Since then I've probably loaded about 75-100 saves in succession without any glitches (touch wood). As an additional bonus, I can completly disregard the 50km rules (often save near ships sunk or ships closeby, convoys, whilst under attack, near land etc) and will very often save whilst submerged, all with no problems on loading. When I save, I always do it at TCx1 and with map view (F5). I do still obey the rule with regards to changing mods whilst in mid-patrol.

Good posts and I hope you fix your problem.

THEBERBSTER · 05-02-18, 05:10 AM

Hi T
Sorry about the LAA mistake.
SH3 is incompatible with Windows 10 and needs to be run in Windows 7 compatibility mode.

I have found SH3 saves to be bullet proof although that is with LSH3-2015.
I always save in the command room F2.
I can save anywhere as long as it is a manual save and never had a problem when loading.

Does your ctd in AN54 happen in a particular area or only when you sink ships?
Run all your applications as administrators
Peter

05-01-18, 07:17 AM	#1
THEBERBSTER Growing Old Disgracefully Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Dibden Purlieu - Southampton Posts: 9,606 Downloads: 1123 Uploads: 0	A Warm Welcome To The Subsim Community > TiberiusoftheSea Subsim <> Make A Donation <> See The Benefits <> Support The Community SH3-4-5 Tutorials And Other Information Links In My Signature Below What is your game installation path? You do not want to install your game in the Program files x86 directory as it has restrictions which can cause problems. Run all you applications as administrators as well. Please post your mod list. Post #9 JSGME How To Export Your Mod List To A Subsim Post __________________ LSH3-2015 <> TUTORIALS <> ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW <> ALL IN ONE PLACE SH4 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS SH5 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS Always Here To Help A Fellow 'Subber' \| Need An Answer to A Question Just Send Me A PM Last edited by THEBERBSTER; 05-02-18 at 04:55 AM.

05-01-18, 08:44 AM	#2
David I Ensign Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 231 Downloads: 360 Uploads: 0	Saving the Game Basics Well I don't know if this helps, but one of the basics of saving the game is not to do that within 50km of land. If you saved as you left the harbor and you were within 50km your inviting a crash. The other basics are not saving while in sight of an enemy or while submerged. Hope that helps. David I

05-01-18, 11:16 AM	#3
CaptBones The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Rockton, IL Posts: 274 Downloads: 208 Uploads: 0	Save game basics two/too Well, I'm no expert and not an authority of any sort on the mysteries of SHIII...but...what THEBERBSTER pointed to should help you out. Before I increased my machine's RAM and upgraded SH3.exe with the 4gb patch (or LAA), I had experienced saved games crashing when I was within 50km of anything when I saved and exited the game. Saving within 50km of land, ships, planes...anything including ships that I'd just recently sunk...seemed to be "poison". Since you pointed out that the sound.act file seems to be the culprit, I'm wondering of you were inside that 50km zone from a ship, or ships, that you had recently sunk, but were still in existence below the "sea surface" slowly sinking and generating the sinking noises (even if you aren't within "hearing" range) that continue until the wreck gets to the bottom and "dissolves". Or, perhaps you were within 50km of another noise generating ship, including those in harbor. Those problems that I experienced almost all seemed to go away when I applied the 4gb patch, but I still pay heed to that 50km "rule". Good luck...good hunting...sink 'em all!

05-02-18, 05:10 AM	#7
THEBERBSTER Growing Old Disgracefully Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Dibden Purlieu - Southampton Posts: 9,606 Downloads: 1123 Uploads: 0	Hi T Sorry about the LAA mistake. SH3 is incompatible with Windows 10 and needs to be run in Windows 7 compatibility mode. I have found SH3 saves to be bullet proof although that is with LSH3-2015. I always save in the command room F2. I can save anywhere as long as it is a manual save and never had a problem when loading. Does your ctd in AN54 happen in a particular area or only when you sink ships? Run all your applications as administrators Peter __________________ LSH3-2015 <> TUTORIALS <> ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW <> ALL IN ONE PLACE SH4 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS SH5 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS Always Here To Help A Fellow 'Subber' \| Need An Answer to A Question Just Send Me A PM

05-01-18, 12:29 PM	#4
schlechter pfennig Commander Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 457 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 7	Would you, please, post the list of mods you are running?

05-01-18, 07:00 PM	#6
stork100 Weps Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Australia Posts: 354 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	Hi TiberiusoftheSea, Just a suggestion regarding CTD when loading saves. I run a similar install to you: disk version SH3, Win7 64bit, GWX 3.0, V16B1 kit with 4gb patch included plus a stack of other mods. If you haven't already, as THEBERBSTER pointed out, run your SH3.exe as administrator and in compatability mode for WinXP Service Pack 3. I can't say whether these settings will fix your problem loading saves, but they worked wonders for me and I can't recommend them highly enough. Once applied, I went from about a 20% failure rate of loading saves to zero. Since then I've probably loaded about 75-100 saves in succession without any glitches (touch wood). As an additional bonus, I can completly disregard the 50km rules (often save near ships sunk or ships closeby, convoys, whilst under attack, near land etc) and will very often save whilst submerged, all with no problems on loading. When I save, I always do it at TCx1 and with map view (F5). I do still obey the rule with regards to changing mods whilst in mid-patrol. Good posts and I hope you fix your problem.