China hiding its submarines...

[20000 Leagues]

At least they haven't started hiding their planes in the sky yet!

[TCD]

...sink the 11 US aircraft carriers and their task force. No doubt about that.


So that's why they have developed two new kinds of antiship weapons:

Hyper speed torpedos for their subs (being able of underwater fantastic speed by ahead air bubble torpedo created = no water thickness slowing down).

Anti-boat ballistic trajectory missiles, coming so fast on the target AND from above that the CIWS (close in weapon system) devices of major US surface ships like CVs or escorts won't be able to react.

Thus, after that, been able to master the east and south seas of China, so as to then have free and open access to high sea (the Pacific ocean).


Thus all the chineese undercover strategy to gain access to the different oceans (like the indian one...) and seas or the persian gulf etc....

[Herr-Berbunch]

Under the water? That's where the Hunley went wrong. Why did no boffin come up with this brave suggestion before?

[limkol]

I was talking to Elvis Presley in his spaceship on the way home from the pub the other night and he told me, that if you dive deep enough in the South China Sea, you surface in the Gulf of Miami.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by limkol

I was talking to Elvis Presley in his spaceship on the way home from the pub the other night and he told me, that if you dive deep enough in the South China Sea, you surface in the Gulf of Miami.

LOL

[Mr Quatro]

Maybe the article lost something in the translation?

I suspect those new islands China is building with land fill to barely provide a runway off Vietnam (claimed by the Philippines) could be used to supply Chinese submarines not just in peace time, but in case of war.

Speaking of war ... Russian submarines are hiding in the Artic seas from what I understand is a very quite place for US submarines to hear missile tube doors opening.

[ikalugin]

If a sub is under the ice it would have to breach the ice first anyway.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

If a sub is under the ice it would have to breach the ice first anyway.

Hence one of the reasons why the Typhoon was built like a concrete bunker. Also one of the reasons that American and British subs took the dive planes off the conning tower and put them up by the bow. Less chance of damaging them when surfacing through the polynya.

I'm not sure why the Delta series kept them on though, but the Boreis have moved them, so that's something. I mean, you can still surface through ice with sail planes, the early SSNs did, but there is a risk of damage.

[ikalugin]

Deltas are follow ups from very old subs.

[Harvs]

I wonder if the crew has their hands over their eyes as well

[ikalugin]

Well we are building 8 Borey class to replace aging Delta-IIIs in Pacific and begin Delta-IV replacement. In my opinion however we would keep atheist 12 SSBNs, with atheist 4 Delta-IVs remaining till 2020 (probably as many as 6-7).

Now, what is interesting, is how PRC would deploy it,s SSBNs. In my opinion requirements would be either a close in, dependable region, or somewhere with access to open ocean. Now, does PRC have anywhere that fits the requirements? Only former, but in that case you need long range SLBMs to reach its targets.

[Oberon]

Well, the JL-2 has copied the RSM-56 in having a few teething problems, but the estimated range is 7,400-8,000km, so anywhere east of Hawaii would be a viable patrol zone for the Type 094 against US targets, and anywhere in the northern Indian Ocean for Indian targets. It's unlikely that SLBMs would be used against any Russian targets, except maybe Kamchatka and Vladivostok. The DF-31A would be used against Russian and European targets probably from its TELs which would be dispersed through the PRC, it also has the range for American targets as required. Obviously though the warning time is improved due to the transit time from land based missiles, allowing the enemy time to retaliate. Although achieving a proper decapitation strike on either Russia or the US would be impossible because of the precautions and 'launch on warning' strategies developed during the Cold war which enable rapid counter-attack.

[August]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

In my opinion however we would keep atheist 12 SSBNs, with atheist 4 Delta-IVs remaining till 2020 (probably as many as 6-7).

You named your subs "Atheist"? What does that mean in Russian?

[ikalugin]

Typo (or to be more precise, autocorrect on the phone), I meant "atleast".

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

You named your subs "Atheist"? What does that mean in Russian?