US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Mr Quatro]

Trump is trumping Mueller by stating that since he has no lawyer he can not proceed to subject himself to questioning under oath

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Trump is trumping Mueller by stating that since he has no lawyer he can not proceed to subject himself to questioning under oath

How about a court appointed lawyer?

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I guess there are some things that even a lawyer won't do.

Yeah few will betray the swamp which after all is completely made up of lawyers.

[Dowly]

How's the draining of said swamp going, btw?

[Rockstar]

"That's What They Did In The Soviet Union, 'Show Me The Man, And I'll Find You The Crime'" | By Jack Fink | Geoff Petrulis | CBS 11

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/03/29/d...-soviet-union/

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by August

Yeah few will betray the swamp which after all is completely made up of lawyers.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Dowly

How's the draining of said swamp going, btw?

I think it has become self-draining, LOL

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I think it has become self-draining, LOL

If only,

Foe of Endangered Species Act lands gig overseeing — You guessed it — Wildlife

It’s like “appointing an arsonist as the town fire marshal,” said one conservationist.

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

If only,

Foe of Endangered Species Act lands gig overseeing — You guessed it — Wildlife

That doesn't make him a swamp creature, quite the opposite.

A swamp creature would support the Endangered Species Act, not to save the precious little furry animals which it almost never does, but rather for the sweeping powers that the law gives the federal government. Laws which have been used to grab millions of acres of American land.

Since 1984, the ESA has included a clause that all habitats deemed crucial to the survival of an endangered species be protected by federal law. Under the Obama administration, these rules were extended to also protect land that endangered species do not yet inhabit, but could be used for species rehabilitation in the future. Opponents have argued that the act is a federal land grab. “It has never been used for the rehabilitation of species,” Representative Rob Bishop (R-Utah) told the Associated Press in January. “It’s been used for control of the land.”
Others have claimed that the ESA hurts local economies. “Most of these costs are difficult or impossible to measure,” Jonathan Wood, an attorney who represents opponents of the act, told Climate Central. “They’re the homes that were never built, the businesses that were never started.”
In response to these economic concerns, several state attorneys general sent a letter to the Trump transition team in January and filed a complaint about the act with a US District Court in Alabama, according to Scientific American.

https://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...gered-Species/

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

That doesn't make him a swamp creature, quite the opposite.

A swamp creature would support the Endangered Species Act, not to save the precious little furry animals which it almost never does, but rather for the sweeping powers that the law gives the federal government. Laws which have been used to grab millions of acres of American land.


https://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...gered-Species/

I don't know about those millions of acres, as I do not have the time to look into it right now (perhaps you could provide a source?), but for the rest of your quote:

Your own article also states this:

Supporters of the ESA have cited a PNAS study, which reported that, as of 2015, the act had not substantially interfered with or halted any major building projects. Others have pointed to the universal benefits of species conservation. “Habitat loss is the single largest cause of species extinction worldwide, so the ability to preserve the habitat needed by species is the most powerful tool of the Endangered Species Act,” ecologist Bradley Cardindale of the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor told Climate Central. “Conservation of biological diversity provides people with insurance that the world will be able to produce their air, water and food even as the climate changes.”

The study says that:

We analyze data on all 88,290 consultations (building projects -Dowly) recorded by FWS from January 2008 through April 2015. In contrast to conventional wisdom about section 7 implementation, no project was stopped or extensively altered as a result of FWS finding jeopardy or adverse modification during this period.

Here's also an article talking about the study:
Study finds criticisms of Endangered Species Act unfounded

The analysis shows that the act “hasn’t been killing the economy, hasn’t stopped jobs,” Li says. “The empirical evidence and analysis shows us that what some people thought was true is not.”

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I don't know about those millions of acres, as I do not have the time to look into it right now (perhaps you could provide a source?), but for the rest of your quote:

Your own article also states this:

The study says that:

Here's also an article talking about the study:
Study finds criticisms of Endangered Species Act unfounded

I'm not getting into an environmental argument with you Dowly. Maybe Rockstar will be your Huckleberry on that. He cares a lot more about the subject than I do. Suffice to say that the people who actually live here and are most affected by this unprecedented land grab by the previous administration tend to disagree with your assessment from afar as much as that of the director from some washington DC based environmental nut advocacy group.

My point was (that is if you really care to know and this isn't just another Trump bashing foray) that anyone shaking up a Federal Agency, for good or bad, is by definition not a part of The Swamp. The Deep State is all about increasing their power over the people they supposedly exist to serve (which is why they supported Obamas land grab), not about making waves.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

I'm not getting into an environmental argument with you Dowly.

You're the one who started arguing over it. Now that I showed you wrong, you back down, like you've done so many other times.

Btw, I'm still waiting you to tell me what Comey and McCabe lied about under oath. I'm sure you can answer that since you made that claim, right?

What about the difference between "Allegation" and "Evidence", kinda waiting to hear about that too.

My point was (that is if you really care to know and this isn't just another Trump bashing foray) that anyone shaking up a Federal Agency, for good or bad, is by definition not a part of The Swamp.

Obama administration shook things up too, so Obama is not part of the swamp either then, right? Or does not being part of the swamp only apply to republican presidents?


EDIT: Oh right, forgot to bash Trump.

The idiot made a tweet about people coming over the south border to take advantage of the DACA act. (Tweet) Perhaps someone should inform the President who speaks about the DACA oh so much, that that's not how the act works.

To be eligible, recipients must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007[..]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferr...ls#Eligibility

[Onkel Neal]

Another drawback to the government's continual collection of land, this takes acres out of the tax base. Which increases the tax burden on the rest of us.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dowly

The idiot made a tweet about people coming over the south border to take advantage of the DACA act. (Tweet) Perhaps someone should inform the President who speaks about the DACA oh so much, that that's not how the act works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferr...ls#Eligibility

You should read more about DACA because there's more to eligibilty than wikipedia leads you to believe. Otherwise you paint yourself the same color you accuse the kettle of being.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

You should read more about DACA because there's more to eligibilty than wikipedia leads you to believe. Otherwise you paint yourself the same color you accuse the kettle of being.

No one coming to the US now is eligible for DACA, therefore Trump is wrong in saying people are coming there to take advantage of DACA.