New guy, questions about SCXII(c)

A-cool-a · 04-26-07, 09:00 PM

Hey, I'm new to these boards (duh), and am trying to get SCXIIc working. I noticed the game crashing whenever the game needs to render a US submarine, did a simple search here and found I need to install SCXII before SCXIIc. So just a couple Qs here about that;

Do I need to reinstall SC completely before installing SCXII, or can I overwrite the SCXIIc installation? This isn't a big deal, but it's something I need to be aware of. I used the SCX/SCU Simple Installer from SubGuru which is described as having both the SCXII and SCXIIc packages, and that I could ignore the BATs, but something tells me this isn't the case and that it only had the ESM fix and the stuff for SCU and SCXIIc, not SCXII...

I backed up my original SC files in another folder under a different name on the same hard drive as the modified SC, but for some reason after SCXIIc was installed, my backed-up folder was erased! Is this normal? I wanted to revert back to stock SC easily that way so that I could do everything right the second time but now I think I'll have to reinstall everything.

Last question, where can I find a stand-alone installer for just SCXII, if there is one? I'm no newbie to SC itself but to SCXII-related stuff, I'm about lost on.

EDIT: An un-related question, as well, is it possible to use the Strela portable SAM system in the Akulas? In a custom mission that I made, I noticed that a Seahawk attacked an enemy Akula II, and right after it dropped a MK50 torpedo in the water, the Akula surfaced and launched an SA-N-5 Grail SAM, and shot down the Seahawk, a rare and spectacular moment as one could imagine. This was before I even attempted modifying the game itself. I have a screenshot of the Grail right after it was launched if anyone wants to see it (I was showing Truth to see what was happening, as I wanted to see everything unfold the way I wanted when I made the mission, but didn't quite expect the Akula to shoot down one of the choppers).

So yeah, I need enlightenment here, thanks in advance for any that is given.

Linton · 04-27-07, 03:55 AM

You can find a simple installer over at the subguru site run by Bill Nichols.I would suggest you do a clean install and then patch to v1.08.Then run the installer:
http://www.subguru.com/downloads.html

A-cool-a · 04-27-07, 04:00 AM

Well, OK, but that's the one I was using. What I'm really wondering is, does that simple installer install both SCXII and SCXIIc? Oh, and I just remembered that in another thread someone mentioned a bug fix installer, where can that be found, and does that apply to just SCXII or SCXIIc? Shouldn't it all work properly after these are installed? Thanks.

OneShot · 04-27-07, 05:06 AM

The installer includes SCXII as well as SCXIIc and the ESM Fix or in other words all the relevant SCX stuff. The steps to get everything working correctly :

Clean Install of Sub Command (only the original one, not the SC from the new Naval Combat Pack)
Patch to 1.08
Use the easy Installer found on SubGurus website (only that, no other patches or whatever needed).
Done

Still I thought my text on the package was obvious enough

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneShot

This installer combines the SCX II and SCX IIc update packages as well as the ESM Fix so you don't need to install any of them again. Furthermore all changes for the SCU are done as well, so all you have to do is select your Submarine of choice (don't try to use the InstallPlayableSub.exe - you don't have to). Same goes for the batch files which are still in some of the directories ... simply ignore them. The only optional thing you can do is use the SC SoundEdit Tool (which is included in this installer) and add the buoy sound which is mentioned in one of the ReadMe's.

After installing the SCX Package there is no going back to stock Sub Command unless you deinstall and install it again. There is no JSGME Tool or other such thing included in this installer.

Cheers
OS

P.S. : When I made that installer I was thinking about including the 1.08 Patch as well, but later on decided against it, because that would have restricted, AFAIK, the easy installer to just the english version of Sub Command.

A-cool-a · 04-27-07, 05:13 AM

OK, thanks about that, I was just frustrated because from what you said in the instructions, I've done everything how I was supposed to and the game crashes whenever it renders a US sub (I LOVE the new Akula renders, though; nice to know it won't crash when I'm ogling those, at least). The part on the description that kicked my brain around was the "combines the SCX II and SCX IIc update packages" part; I didn't really understand what was meant by "update packages", but I guess I do now.

I do have the original SC, in fact, got it as a gift a few short months after its original release. I have it patched to 1.08, and used the Simple Installer... so what went wrong? Why does it mess up like that? Any ideas?

OneShot · 04-27-07, 08:09 AM

Unfortunatly I have no idea. If you have the US SC version and applied the right patch - which I suppose you did, then the only possible explanation would be that your SCX Installer download might have been corrupted somehow.

Did you try the steps as described before and start with a complete Uninstall (given that you had SC installed before) and a fresh install after that ?

04-26-07, 09:00 PM	#1
A-cool-a Watch Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 15 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	New guy, questions about SCXII(c) Hey, I'm new to these boards (duh), and am trying to get SCXIIc working. I noticed the game crashing whenever the game needs to render a US submarine, did a simple search here and found I need to install SCXII before SCXIIc. So just a couple Qs here about that; Do I need to reinstall SC completely before installing SCXII, or can I overwrite the SCXIIc installation? This isn't a big deal, but it's something I need to be aware of. I used the SCX/SCU Simple Installer from SubGuru which is described as having both the SCXII and SCXIIc packages, and that I could ignore the BATs, but something tells me this isn't the case and that it only had the ESM fix and the stuff for SCU and SCXIIc, not SCXII... I backed up my original SC files in another folder under a different name on the same hard drive as the modified SC, but for some reason after SCXIIc was installed, my backed-up folder was erased! Is this normal? I wanted to revert back to stock SC easily that way so that I could do everything right the second time but now I think I'll have to reinstall everything. Last question, where can I find a stand-alone installer for just SCXII, if there is one? I'm no newbie to SC itself but to SCXII-related stuff, I'm about lost on. EDIT: An un-related question, as well, is it possible to use the Strela portable SAM system in the Akulas? In a custom mission that I made, I noticed that a Seahawk attacked an enemy Akula II, and right after it dropped a MK50 torpedo in the water, the Akula surfaced and launched an SA-N-5 Grail SAM, and shot down the Seahawk, a rare and spectacular moment as one could imagine. This was before I even attempted modifying the game itself. I have a screenshot of the Grail right after it was launched if anyone wants to see it (I was showing Truth to see what was happening, as I wanted to see everything unfold the way I wanted when I made the mission, but didn't quite expect the Akula to shoot down one of the choppers). So yeah, I need enlightenment here, thanks in advance for any that is given. Last edited by A-cool-a; 04-27-07 at 02:02 AM.

04-27-07, 03:55 AM	#2
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You can find a simple installer over at the subguru site run by Bill Nichols.I would suggest you do a clean install and then patch to v1.08.Then run the installer: http://www.subguru.com/downloads.html __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

04-27-07, 08:09 AM	#6
OneShot Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 956 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Unfortunatly I have no idea. If you have the US SC version and applied the right patch - which I suppose you did, then the only possible explanation would be that your SCX Installer download might have been corrupted somehow. Did you try the steps as described before and start with a complete Uninstall (given that you had SC installed before) and a fresh install after that ? __________________ All the things you always wanted to know about Dangerous Waters but never dared to ask!

04-27-07, 04:00 AM	#3
A-cool-a Watch Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 15 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well, OK, but that's the one I was using. What I'm really wondering is, does that simple installer install both SCXII and SCXIIc? Oh, and I just remembered that in another thread someone mentioned a bug fix installer, where can that be found, and does that apply to just SCXII or SCXIIc? Shouldn't it all work properly after these are installed? Thanks.

04-27-07, 05:13 AM	#5
A-cool-a Watch Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 15 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	OK, thanks about that, I was just frustrated because from what you said in the instructions, I've done everything how I was supposed to and the game crashes whenever it renders a US sub (I LOVE the new Akula renders, though; nice to know it won't crash when I'm ogling those, at least). The part on the description that kicked my brain around was the "combines the SCX II and SCX IIc update packages" part; I didn't really understand what was meant by "update packages", but I guess I do now. I do have the original SC, in fact, got it as a gift a few short months after its original release. I have it patched to 1.08, and used the Simple Installer... so what went wrong? Why does it mess up like that? Any ideas?