Wake Island Mission and some questions

Bramtyr · 08-14-08, 02:46 PM

Hi, i put out the plans to do a Wake Island mission (probably shoulda posted it here, but it included some modelling issues so i kept it in the main SH4 forum)

The post:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140753

the issue:

So I started to play around with the mission editor to see how the AI would interact, and what would attack what, etc. Coastal defenses, bombers, torpedo planes for fun (they dropped their torpedos without the use of a mod... is that wierd?)

Some of the issues i found:
-the "Coastal AA batteries" regardless of weapon loadout are just an empty weapon mount and don't do anything... is there a mod to fix this?

-Originally I was able to place American gun batteries- light, medium or heavy, and they worked fine shooting at any enemy ships in range. Then at some point they couldn't be found in the editors roster, only Japanese gun batteries. If I exported the land units into a new map, all of the american gun batteries were automatically converted into AA emplacements. They seriously just vanished from being placed. Its really weird, and the existence of gun batteries is kinda essential to an accurate Wake Island map.

Coastal Bunkers don't do anything, but some Japanese Merchant ships would still shoot at them, and I observed a plane attempt to attack it. It would be fun to mod them so they started burning like a lit up fuel tank to simulate the island burning after attack from offshore.

peabody · 08-14-08, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bramtyr

Hi, i put out the plans to do a Wake Island mission (probably shoulda posted it here, but it included some modelling issues so i kept it in the main SH4 forum)

The post:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140753

the issue:

So I started to play around with the mission editor to see how the AI would interact, and what would attack what, etc. Coastal defenses, bombers, torpedo planes for fun (they dropped their torpedos without the use of a mod... is that wierd?)

Some of the issues i found:
-the "Coastal AA batteries" regardless of weapon loadout are just an empty weapon mount and don't do anything... is there a mod to fix this?

-Originally I was able to place American gun batteries- light, medium or heavy, and they worked fine shooting at any enemy ships in range. Then at some point they couldn't be found in the editors roster, only Japanese gun batteries. If I exported the land units into a new map, all of the american gun batteries were automatically converted into AA emplacements. They seriously just vanished from being placed. Its really weird, and the existence of gun batteries is kinda essential to an accurate Wake Island map.

Coastal Bunkers don't do anything, but some Japanese Merchant ships would still shoot at them, and I observed a plane attempt to attack it. It would be fun to mod them so they started burning like a lit up fuel tank to simulate the island burning after attack from offshore.

As much as I have worked with the Mission Editor, I never realized the AAs don't shoot.:hmm: I have to pay attention more.
But what I am posting about, There are shore batteries already at wake, you might want to check it out first. The game automatically loads a lot of stuff even for single missions. You could check the placement of the guns that are automatically loaded.

Another thing you could do is to check, I think it would be "harbor traffic" in campaigns folder for the time period and see what is automatically loaded there. It will most likely have some docked ships, so you would need to delete what you don't want and instead of doing this as a mission, do it like a mod, so you can overwrite those files. That way you could put the 'mission' in the Single mission folder and put the modded Campaign ones in the campaign folder.
I have heard that the new version of the editor some of the 'layer' saves don't work right. There are people that have used this on Campaigns that could answer that. Just ask in the Mods forum. I have used "Random Layer" and that seems to work fine.
I just checked: Campaign.LOC gives the docks, US HarborTraffic the ships and USBatteries the shore batteries but I just found out there are no batteries until the Japanese take over. but there are US ships.

Peabody

Bramtyr · 08-14-08, 10:46 PM

Thanks Peabody, i'll check it out. Anything you reccomend reading to learn up on it?

I wanted to do a fairly accurate Wake- I have the locations and compliments of all the 5-inch and 3 inch Batteries, as well as the AA 3-inchers that I obtained through some research, and mainly through my own stupid OCD fix what the game never got right. I wanted to remove the harbor facilities that are default at Wake; they are way overbuilt, I'm glad to hear you say its possible to remove. I hear there's even some terrain editing capabilities, and want to fix the fact that Wilkes and Wake Island are merged together.

I should just shut up before I give myself a nervous breakdown.

I am still not at all familiar with the whole layers set up and the campaign thing, as well as building mods, I only jumped in a day ago and just have a single tutorial forum to work with- and basically still have alot of questions to ask, but don't want to annoy by asking to many.

Two Mods I would like to learn how to do is fixing the land AA so it actually works, and making the bunkers useful for something-- as a FX tools-- by basically have them be placable 'smoke pots' and have them always billow smoke like something important inland is on fire; like a fuel tank, ammo depot, or an orphanage. For example, in the instance of Wake Island, have a few of these spawn after each bombing raid from the Marshall Islands to insure that the place looks like its under bombardment. This adds to the realism and 'atmosphere' of the gritty war environment.

peabody · 08-15-08, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bramtyr

Thanks Peabody, i'll check it out. Anything you reccomend reading to learn up on it?

I wanted to do a fairly accurate Wake- I have the locations and compliments of all the 5-inch and 3 inch Batteries, as well as the AA 3-inchers that I obtained through some research, and mainly through my own stupid OCD fix what the game never got right. I wanted to remove the harbor facilities that are default at Wake; they are way overbuilt, I'm glad to hear you say its possible to remove. I hear there's even some terrain editing capabilities, and want to fix the fact that Wilkes and Wake Island are merged together.

I should just shut up before I give myself a nervous breakdown.

I am still not at all familiar with the whole layers set up and the campaign thing, as well as building mods, I only jumped in a day ago and just have a single tutorial forum to work with- and basically still have alot of questions to ask, but don't want to annoy by asking to many.

Two Mods I would like to learn how to do is fixing the land AA so it actually works, and making the bunkers useful for something-- as a FX tools-- by basically have them be placable 'smoke pots' and have them always billow smoke like something important inland is on fire; like a fuel tank, ammo depot, or an orphanage. For example, in the instance of Wake Island, have a few of these spawn after each bombing raid from the Marshall Islands to insure that the place looks like its under bombardment. This adds to the realism and 'atmosphere' of the gritty war environment.

There are two islands at Wake, I didn't know they had two names, there is an opening at the north. I don't know if that is what you mean. If you want to see things always smoking go to Rabaul. They messed up and there is a ship on land and it burns all the time. There is another one somewhere but I can't remember, but very little is visible, which is what you would want. I don't know if it's a ship in the ground or what.
I never knew the AA didn't work. I knew the bunkers did.:rotfl:. I made a mission for one of the surface ships when they first started making them. It was the PocketBB and I made a task force going by Wake and it and a couple of DDs went out to greet them. The ships were sinking all over. It was then I realized the mission was too close to Wake and the shore batteries took out most of the ships.

Peabody

08-15-08, 11:10 AM

the fact that you say the gun batteries suddenly dont show up in editor anymore makes me think that somehow your game files got corrupted.

its always a good idea to take a virgin copy of the games data folder before any mods and copy it to a dvd. if you are lucky enough to have done this i recommend delete your data folder and replace it with the back up copy, if not try a fresh reinstall of the game. you would be surprised how easy it is to get corrupted files when you change things in the game even if you did it the correct way, i think you have missing or missplaced game files and thats why you have missing data in the editor.

Bramtyr · 08-15-08, 01:38 PM

Webster, thanks for the advice, i'll look into it.

Peabody, Wake Island is 3 islands, (or an island and to islets?) Wake, Wilkes and Peale, with Wake being by far the largest. Think sorta like how Midway Island is actually two islands with a few rocks inbetween. Wilkes and Wake were seperated by water, but it was widened with a dredged channel and blasted coral to give boats lighters access to the central lagoon.

I will check out dumping ships on land to make them burn for smoke effects! Good idea! As for the bunkers, the Coastal batteries and bunkers are different. The batteries are working big guns; while the bunkers are just an inanimate lump of concrete, similar to the defunct AA. Though since theres a chance my game files are all screwy i need to reinstall and double check.

08-14-08, 02:46 PM	#1
Bramtyr Sailor man Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 43 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Wake Island Mission and some questions Hi, i put out the plans to do a Wake Island mission (probably shoulda posted it here, but it included some modelling issues so i kept it in the main SH4 forum) The post: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140753 the issue: So I started to play around with the mission editor to see how the AI would interact, and what would attack what, etc. Coastal defenses, bombers, torpedo planes for fun (they dropped their torpedos without the use of a mod... is that wierd?) Some of the issues i found: -the "Coastal AA batteries" regardless of weapon loadout are just an empty weapon mount and don't do anything... is there a mod to fix this? -Originally I was able to place American gun batteries- light, medium or heavy, and they worked fine shooting at any enemy ships in range. Then at some point they couldn't be found in the editors roster, only Japanese gun batteries. If I exported the land units into a new map, all of the american gun batteries were automatically converted into AA emplacements. They seriously just vanished from being placed. Its really weird, and the existence of gun batteries is kinda essential to an accurate Wake Island map. Coastal Bunkers don't do anything, but some Japanese Merchant ships would still shoot at them, and I observed a plane attempt to attack it. It would be fun to mod them so they started burning like a lit up fuel tank to simulate the island burning after attack from offshore.

08-14-08, 10:46 PM	#3
Bramtyr Sailor man Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 43 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Thanks Peabody, i'll check it out. Anything you reccomend reading to learn up on it? I wanted to do a fairly accurate Wake- I have the locations and compliments of all the 5-inch and 3 inch Batteries, as well as the AA 3-inchers that I obtained through some research, and mainly through my own stupid OCD fix what the game never got right. I wanted to remove the harbor facilities that are default at Wake; they are way overbuilt, I'm glad to hear you say its possible to remove. I hear there's even some terrain editing capabilities, and want to fix the fact that Wilkes and Wake Island are merged together. I should just shut up before I give myself a nervous breakdown. I am still not at all familiar with the whole layers set up and the campaign thing, as well as building mods, I only jumped in a day ago and just have a single tutorial forum to work with- and basically still have alot of questions to ask, but don't want to annoy by asking to many. Two Mods I would like to learn how to do is fixing the land AA so it actually works, and making the bunkers useful for something-- as a FX tools-- by basically have them be placable 'smoke pots' and have them always billow smoke like something important inland is on fire; like a fuel tank, ammo depot, or an orphanage. For example, in the instance of Wake Island, have a few of these spawn after each bombing raid from the Marshall Islands to insure that the place looks like its under bombardment. This adds to the realism and 'atmosphere' of the gritty war environment.

08-15-08, 11:10 AM	#5
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	the fact that you say the gun batteries suddenly dont show up in editor anymore makes me think that somehow your game files got corrupted. its always a good idea to take a virgin copy of the games data folder before any mods and copy it to a dvd. if you are lucky enough to have done this i recommend delete your data folder and replace it with the back up copy, if not try a fresh reinstall of the game. you would be surprised how easy it is to get corrupted files when you change things in the game even if you did it the correct way, i think you have missing or missplaced game files and thats why you have missing data in the editor.

08-15-08, 01:38 PM	#6
Bramtyr Sailor man Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 43 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Webster, thanks for the advice, i'll look into it. Peabody, Wake Island is 3 islands, (or an island and to islets?) Wake, Wilkes and Peale, with Wake being by far the largest. Think sorta like how Midway Island is actually two islands with a few rocks inbetween. Wilkes and Wake were seperated by water, but it was widened with a dredged channel and blasted coral to give boats lighters access to the central lagoon. I will check out dumping ships on land to make them burn for smoke effects! Good idea! As for the bunkers, the Coastal batteries and bunkers are different. The batteries are working big guns; while the bunkers are just an inanimate lump of concrete, similar to the defunct AA. Though since theres a chance my game files are all screwy i need to reinstall and double check.