Strike on North Korea

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

What's inside Kim Jong-un's head?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/...g_of_pyongyang

This is a great presentation Jim ... thanks for sharing I don't usually click on links, but I did this time.

I urge you all to see the truth the BBC has presented.

[Aktungbby]

I'M INVESTING IN CHOCO PIES; IT'S THE KEY TO VICTORY! https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/27/world/asia/choco-pie-koreas/index.html

Despite perceptions of North Koreans as brainwashed, insulated masses, the hunger and desire for Choco Pie shows that "complete quarantine is impossible," wrote Richard Lloyd Parry in London Review of Books. Lloyd wrote that it "reveals a susceptibility to outside influence in a society commonly regarded as impenetrable." The crumbly mass of chocolate and marshmallow had taken on a subversive aspect. Indeed, Chae, the artist behind the exhibit, says, the Choco Pie "has a power in how it works as a mind changing tool between South and North. perhaps the Choco Pie is a reminder of an aspect missing in the narratives about the country, said Noerper: "We lose sight of the fact there's a common human experience. We need to realize North Koreans are regular human beings -- that 99% of North Koreans just desire a better life."
"They want a Choco Pie at the end of the day."

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

This is a great presentation Jim ... thanks for sharing I don't usually click on links, but I did this time.

I urge you all to see the truth the BBC has presented.

Cheers matey

[Mr Quatro]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ike-Pence.html

Trump CANCELS his summit with Kim


North Korea insults Mike Pence

North Korea 's vice foreign minister Choe Son Hui slammed Pence in remarks on Wednesday, calling him a 'political dummy' and 'ignorant and stupid'
Pence told Fox News on Monday that North Korea could end up like Libya if it doesn't make a deal with Trump, leading to the outrage
Trump said it would be 'inappropriate' to hold talks at this time after Choe's rant
'You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never be used,' he said in a letter to Kim

If the peace treaty is to be held it will be in the good will of Lord not the vanity of man's mind.

[STEED]

The War of words is back on.

[Aktungbby]

'You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never be used,' he said in a letter to Kim

THE GODLESS INVOKING GOD??!! WE'RE IN FOR 'STORMY' WEATHER! AS FOR WHETHER THERE WAS EVER GOING TO BE A SUMMIT, I HAVE MY DOUBTS : DESTROYING AN ALREADY UNUSEABLE MISSILE TEST SITE TO DEMONSTRATE 'GOODWILL' AND HOLDING A MEETING IN SINGAPORE WHERE HE SHOULD BE ARRESTED FOR THE MURDER OF HIS HALF BROTHER SORT RAISE MY PERSISTENT SUSPICIONS.

Originally Posted by WSJ Mr. Eberstadt

North Korea, the world’s nuclear-armed auto dealership from hell, is turning up the high-pressure sales tactics. After months of charm that had secured Kim Jong Un a summit with President Trump in Singapore next month, Mr. Kim has now pivoted without warning. (OBEYING HIS CHINESE MASTER'S WISHES) Pyongyang canceled meetings with South Korea, complaining of military exercises with the U.S., which Washington promptly called off at Seoul’s request. North Korea is also threatening to scrap the Singapore parley unless denuclearization is taken off the agenda.
There’s no need for Kremlinology here. These are standard North Korean shakedown techniques, honed to perfection by three generations of regime negotiators. Mr. Kim is probing for pre-emptive concessions before his big get-together with Mr. Trump. Such techniques have proved successful in the past, which is why today North Korea is for all intents and purposes a nuclear state. If the U.S. wants a different outcome this time, it is going to have to adopt a radically different approach.
The most important thing for American negotiators to understand is that North Korea is a “revisionist state”—one that is deeply aggrieved by, and fundamentally opposed to, the current configuration of the international chessboard. It regards South Korea as an illegitimate monstrosity that must be wiped off the map so the Kim family can gather the whole Korean race (the “minjok”) under the peninsula’s true “independent socialist” government.
Given that worldview, North Korea regards the U.S. as the villain whose security architecture has permitted the vile “South Korean puppets” to survive. Thus the imperative for Mr. Kim to amass an arsenal of nukes and long-range missiles. The eventual goal is a showdown in which Pyongyang would make Uncle Sam blink and abandon Korea.

None of the ordinary rules of diplomacy apply with North Korea. For a revisionist state, negotiations constitute war by other means. That means there is no “win-win,” no “getting to yes.” This is not like entering into a trade deal with Belgium. North Korean officialdom believes only in “win-lose” outcomes: To leave anything on the table for the other side is positively unpatriotic if it is at all possible to do otherwise, because the “other side” is the enemy.
Further, North Korea does not recognize the legitimacy of the outside world’s laws. It sees contracts, treaties and understandings with other governments as entirely contingent, depending on whether they serve Pyongyang’s purposes at the moment. As long as a deal is deemed beneficial, North Korea will adhere. The instant it is deemed disadvantageous, North Korea will not hesitate to violate it, renounce it, or simply walk away.
If American diplomats insist on treating North Korea more or less like any other state, the coming negotiations will bring hapless results no different from those of the past, even as the peril for the U.S. and its allies grows ever greater. Instead the Trump administration should consider a totally new approach. A few suggestions:
• No more front-loaded benefits for Pyongyang. North Korea always takes the money and runs. Any incentives the White House dangles must be withheld until the end of the process, after Mr. Kim proves satisfactory compliance with the deal, as determined by the U.S. alone. To approach negotiations otherwise is to invite Mr. Kim’s back-room tactics.
• Demand small, concrete signs of good faith upfront. This would help the U.S. determine whether Mr. Kim has any intention of honoring his promises. If not, it would be better to know sooner rather than later. The “ask” need not relate to denuclearization, and it should be something Pyongyang could deliver almost immediately.
One idea is for the U.S. to propose that North Korea make good on its Western debts. In the 1970s, Pyongyang borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars from Australian, French, Japanese and other Western lenders, debts now long in default. Mr. Kim’s Bureau 39, the unit that manages the regime’s overseas slush fund, surely has the cash to right this wrong. If the regime cannot honor even commercial contracts, how can it be trusted on a nuclear deal?
By the same token, the U.S. could ask Mr. Kim to disband the Anti-Imperialist National Democratic Front. This is a Pyongyang-based group of purported South Korean dissidents who relentlessly endorse the Kim family regime and broadcast calls for Seoul’s overthrow. If Mr. Kim cannot at least implicitly signal South Korea’s right to exist, how can he be trusted on denuclearization?
• Insist that North Korean state media publish Mr. Kim’s promises. The usual diplomatic parchment won’t cut it. Instead the U.S. should demand that the terms of any deal be printed in Korean on the front page of the Rodong Sinmun, the official party newspaper, as well as broadcast on regime-controlled radio and television. The North Korean elite and the Kim family’s subjects must see what Pyongyang has committed to with Washington. It is entirely possible that Mr. Kim would not dare reveal to his people what he has promised, for fear of domestic ramifications. But if so, he never intended to keep his pledges.
• Be unflinchingly prepared for diplomatic failure. Unfortunately, that is the most likely outcome for any negotiators with North Korea who resolutely intend to promote American interests. Mr. Trump must be ready to walk away, as Ronald Reagan did at Reykjavik, Iceland, in 1986.
In this case the U.S. must be prepared to redouble its efforts at “threat reduction.” To its credit, the Trump administration has already increased the international economic pressure on Pyongyang and worked to keep American allies united. The White House must be ready to continue in this direction. If negotiations fail, the U.S. and its allies must move swiftly be to minimize the North Korean menace without Mr. Kim’s assent.
Mr. Eberstadt is a political economist at the American Enterprise Institute and a founding director of the Committee for Human Rights in North Korea.

[mapuc]

A question or more a thought

Let's assume a war breaks out between USA and NK, lets assume NK makes the first strike and they use their Nukes....Lets assume once again that USA does the same, use Nukes in their retaliation.

Now would China as NK's big brother just sit there and do nothing

I remember what China have said-If NK starts the war, we will not act, if USA start the war we will help NK.

Markus

[STEED]

Trump made the mistake to treat it as a quick business deal. Lets hope more careful preparation is made and not rushed resulting in a meeting.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

A question or more a thought

Let's assume a war breaks out between USA and NK, lets assume NK makes the first strike and they use their Nukes....Lets assume once again that USA does the same, use Nukes in their retaliation.

Now would China as NK's big brother just sit there and do nothing

I remember what China have said-If NK starts the war, we will not act, if USA start the war we will help NK.

Markus

See it form this perspective. Compare what the US has to lose if its five biggest cities and industrial hotspots get nuked, and what the loss would be if the biggest five cities and industrial centres of North Korea would get nuked. And then ask yourself this question: who has more at risk, who is more vulnerable to suffer immense losses in lives, housing, economic power - the US, or Korea?


It sounds paradox, but the US is in the weaker position here. In case of a nuclear exchange between the US and North Korea with ICBMs, the US has far more to lose, and is more vulnerable.

And there are other forms of delivering a nuclear detonator than an ICBM, too. Personally, the proverbial dirty suitcase bomb used by terrorists are what worries me at least as much as ICBMs.

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I never believed in that meeting taking place, did not believe it for one second.

[Rockstar]

Yes the JPOCA prohibits Iranian R&D of nuclear weapons. What it doesn't prohibit is the current sharing of nuclear technology between North Korea and Iran. Since "Iran Deal" lifted sanctions Iran not only has been expanding operations in the middleeast they probably have some cash laying around to pay for the Nork technology. Nice of North Korea to do the work and share with their now rich neighbors.


I'd wager a small amount the day is coming soon when a non-state actor is going to get their hands on more than just a dirty bomb.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Skybird

See it form this perspective. Compare what the US has to lose if its five biggest cities and industrial hotspots get nuked, and what the loss would be if the biggest five cities and industrial centres of North Korea would get nuked. And then ask yourself this question: who has more at risk, who is more vulnerable to suffer immense losses in lives, housing, economic power - the US, or Korea?

Heaven forbid that five sanctuary cities get taken out.


Oh, and I smell John Bolton. I think he's actually a democrat plant.

[Delgard]

The "business deal" is a matter of profit and loss seen from a values perspective.

The profit could have been high, but NK opened their mouth while in a long-term weaker position.

After Trump canceled, NK adjusted quickly.

China has influence, but neither wants NK to economicallly....die, but nor do the want a greater western presence on the peninsula.

The negotiations are really with China.

Trump did right. A point for USA.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Heaven forbid that five sanctuary cities get taken out.

Seriously? Thanks a lot then and may you reap the same reward.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Seriously?

No, not seriously. thus the "wink" emoji

[Buddahaid]

Sarcasm is not always easy to read.