SH3 Commander-The Complete Super Deluxe Thallium Commander's Special Ultimate Edition

[moxeys]

Sorry for the late response, will this still allow me to play a campaign in the game, even if I'm using the single mission option in commander?

[Fubar2Niner]

Originally Posted by moxeys

Sorry for the late response, will this still allow me to play a campaign in the game, even if I'm using the single mission option in commander?

A tad lost here mate, 'Career' = campaign Single mission is exactly what it says, a single mission which you can choose.

Best regards.
Fubar2Niner

[Nerazzurri]

First time I've encountered this problem.

Fired up SH3, and then my mid-patrol save, through Commander as usual and got a CTD. When I restarted Commander I noticed it had a 'null' patrol grid. So I thought no problem, just manually enter a new grid and that'll solve it. But it didn't.

When I try to manually enter a grid and click on the tick button it doesn't register - Comm still shows 'null grid'.

I'm not sure if I should try an earlier save or whether it would ruin that save.

Any thoughts please??

[BigWalleye]

Originally Posted by Nerazzurri

First time I've encountered this problem.

Fired up SH3, and then my mid-patrol save, through Commander as usual and got a CTD. When I restarted Commander I noticed it had a 'null' patrol grid. So I thought no problem, just manually enter a new grid and that'll solve it. But it didn't.

When I try to manually enter a grid and click on the tick button it doesn't register - Comm still shows 'null grid'.

I'm not sure if I should try an earlier save or whether it would ruin that save.

Any thoughts please??

That's a feature.

Seriously, any time you end a career abnormally, you will see the Null grid designator. For example, if you delete your last save, then exit SH3 to Commander, Null grid will appear. If you choose Abandon Career, then delete the "Dead" save, it will appear. You can not change it. But it doesn't affect anything. When you restart SH3 from SH3C reload a save, and exit that with a normal save, the proper grid designation will reappear. And the Null designation will not a have any impact on any previous save. This may be the worst bug Jscones left in SH3C. If so, I for one can live with it.

[rowi58]

Hi Nerazzurri,

i allways play with SH3_Cmdr. But i still have this problem with the grid NULL when i start a socalled "savegame". Normaly - realy normaly - that doesn't matter. Ignore the grid NULL and start your savegame. In more than 90% of all cases it will start fine - that's my experience.

Greetings
rowi58

Ups, BigWalleye was a little bit faster.

[Nerazzurri]

Thanks folks.

Originally Posted by BigWalleye

Seriously, any time you end a career abnormally, you will see the Null grid designator. For example, if you delete your last save, then exit SH3 to Commander, Null grid will appear. If you choose Abandon Career, then delete the "Dead" save, it will appear. You can not change it. But it doesn't affect anything. When you restart SH3 from SH3C reload a save, and exit that with a normal save, the proper grid designation will reappear.

Thing is, I've not did any of those; and when I try to start the save game it loads until the initial script, 'a long time ago' or whatever it is, appears and then it crashes.

I also tried reloading the previous save, so losing the most previous one, but it behaved just the same.

Puzzling.

Originally Posted by rowi58

But i still have this problem with the grid NULL when i start a socalled "savegame". Normaly - realy normaly - that doesn't matter. Ignore the grid NULL and start your savegame. In more than 90% of all cases it will start fine - that's my experience.

Yeah, I tried ignoring it and also entering a new grid. Neither worked. I tried ignoring it and loading the save about 5 or six times with no success.

I saved the patrol and exited the game in my normal manner - on the surface with no contacts, in the control room (F2), exit and save, then return to base (the other option is continue).

Weird.

[BigWalleye]

Originally Posted by Nerazzurri

Thanks folks.

Thing is, I've not did any of those; and when I try to start the save game it loads until the initial script, 'a long time ago' or whatever it is, appears and then it crashes.

I also tried reloading the previous save, so losing the most previous one, but it behaved just the same.

Puzzling.

Not too puzzling. You have a corrupted save, for some reason most likely not related to SH3C. SH3 is prone to them, and there are lots of things you can do inadvertently to cause them. Since you ended your career with a CTD from a corrupted save, that qualifies as an "abnormal end". So SH3C shows the Null grid. The Null grid is not the problem. It is just an indication that your last SH3 session did not end with a normal save.

Now, you still have to find out what caused the CTD. There are lots of possibilities. I had a long thread going a while ago as I dug out all the things I had done to cause a rash of them in my game install. And there are lots of other threads you can find that will offer help. For now, if you want advice on this thread, you should post your mod list and, where you were, and what was happening in-game before your last couple of saves. Then people can start diagnosing the problem and how to prevent it in the future. But one thing you can be pretty sure of: The saves that are CTDing now are irrecoverable. "They're dead, Jim." Sad, but true.

[moxeys]

Originally Posted by Fubar2Niner

A tad lost here mate, 'Career' = campaign Single mission is exactly what it says, a single mission which you can choose.

Best regards.
Fubar2Niner

Sorry if I wasn't clear - I want to play a career in sh3, but I don't want to use the career options in the commander mod. I'm more interested in other features of the commander mod, like changing the start date of the campaign, editing time compression, changing loading screens etc.

I'm not really looking to use the commander dossier and other such features right now, so I'm just wondering if this type of use case is possible

[Fubar2Niner]

Originally Posted by moxeys

Sorry if I wasn't clear - I want to play a career in sh3, but I don't want to use the career options in the commander mod. I'm more interested in other features of the commander mod, like changing the start date of the campaign, editing time compression, changing loading screens etc.

I'm not really looking to use the commander dossier and other such features right now, so I'm just wondering if this type of use case is possible

No apology needed mate, to answer your question.... I really don't know. I guess you could use commander in career mode but not bother to produce personnal files, visit the night club et el. I have never personnaly tried it but I guess it's worth a bash Good luck mate

Best regards.

Fubar2Niner

[Jimbuna]

To use Commander for its features you also have to use it for said career.

[BigWalleye]

Originally Posted by moxeys

Sorry if I wasn't clear - I want to play a career in sh3, but I don't want to use the career options in the commander mod. I'm more interested in other features of the commander mod, like changing the start date of the campaign, editing time compression, changing loading screens etc.

I'm not really looking to use the commander dossier and other such features right now, so I'm just wondering if this type of use case is possible

I think you might not understand what is involved. To use the features of SH3C that you want - especially career start date - you must define a name and starting flotilla in SH3C. But that's all you need to do. The personnel file and patrol logs are completely passive. All you can do is look at them. Same with the cabaret. The only interaction possible is crew management, and it is completely optional. You can ignore it completely and just use the crew management of SH3. You can turn off all SH3C career options on the - ready? - Career Options screen. So you can use SH3C exactly the way you have described. BUT you have to enter a name, starting flotilla, and start date into SH3C, then enter the same name, starting flotilla, and starting year in SH3. If you don't want the bother of making up a name, SH3C will generate a random one for you, and you can take the defaults for everything else. There is really very little that you HAVE to do to create a career in SH3C, and then you get access to all the features you mentioned.

[BigWalleye]

I am trying to use the randomized events feature of SH3C. I understand how to set up a multiple choice event (ChooseFrom=XX), and how to set up a single random integer to insert. But I do not know the syntax to specify a random value for a floating-point number. I want to specify a random value between -0.05 and +0.15. Does anyone know the proper syntax to do this?

"A simple randomisation where a random value is selected from a set range. Usage: <SectionName>|<KeyName>=<Integer or Float+precision>|<Lower>|<Upper>|<Randomise mid patrol Y/N?> for text files."

The syntax for Integer is just "I". How do I specify a floating point value? Any help would be most appreciated.

[LGN1]

Hi BigWalleye,

I looked at my notes and found this (IIRC, it's directly from JScones):


This is an explicit flag for telling SH3Cmdr how many decimal places there should be.
F# implies a decimal point, meaning F0|5|10|Y would result in a number such as "6.",
whereas with I|5|10|Y the result would be just "6". F5|5|10|Y would result in a number such as "6.24574".


Regards, LGN1

[BigWalleye]

Originally Posted by LGN1

Hi BigWalleye,

I looked at my notes and found this (IIRC, it's directly from JScones):


This is an explicit flag for telling SH3Cmdr how many decimal places there should be.
F# implies a decimal point, meaning F0|5|10|Y would result in a number such as "6.",
whereas with I|5|10|Y the result would be just "6". F5|5|10|Y would result in a number such as "6.24574".


Regards, LGN1

Thanks, LGN1! Your answer helped me confirm what I had suspected - that I can't use the randomization function the way I wanted to. I wanted to generate a random number between -0.05 and +0.15. But the upper and lower limits must be integers! The simple randomization function won't do it, so I'll use multiple choice. A bit more work, but I can control the distribution.