US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Skybird]

Lenin had his useful idots, and Putin obviously has his. Trump is like a mega-dose of political Novichok injected into American society. Just look what a splendid job it does to rip integral social neurons apart and paralysing neural nexi, hindering them to function as intended. Its as if the administrative equivalent of an autoimmune disease is consuming the cells of American society and administration.

This poison will continue to do its destructive work of communcal and social desintegration long after the man already has left the office. The mind and spirit of America is poisened. And it will remain to be so long after Trumop is gone. While the American brain is hallucinating and euphoric, like a pilot breathing too much nitrogen.

At least America finally learns a historic lesson that so far it has not needed to share with its European neighbours: why it is that people even be enthusiastic and cheerful when ap.lauding a tyrant to powers and seeing him destroxying the old order.

The problem there only is that the lesson will cost not just America, what is just fair, but the rest of the world as well. Russia must be amazed about how wonderfully the old order keeping the West together and ties of world economy running, desintegrate. Just because one useful idiot got successfully smuggled into the highest office.

This whole situation is the best argument if not even evidence one could wish for in support of this book: LINK. And I am weaiting for the Ger,an edition of this one: LINK.


The West is being ripped apart. Russia has won. I hate to admit it, but they played this so well that even now many Americans still do not believe that they were played against the wall, and enthusiastically defend the goal of this Russian coup. Heck, they even pretend to party! As the German proverb goes: die dümmsten Kälber wählen sich ihre Metzger selber.

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44865626

She tried to establish "back channel" lines of communication to "penetrate the US national decision-making apparatus", the Justice Department said.

Yep, the most precise description of what the Russian are about since many years. We know it all to well in Germany - with our experiences with Islamic and especially Turkish-nationalistic and pro-Erdoghan lobby groups. Same strategy, same goal: Getting inside the system and influencing decision- and law-making without confronting the defence frontally and under the eyes of the public. If you cannot kick in the front door in frontal assault, pretend to be the milkman, ring and ask for a glass of water and an aspirin, smiling. Mind and hearts will open and fly at you and invite you soon into the kitchen.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This poison will continue to do its destructive work of communal and social disintegration long after the man already has left the office. The mind and spirit of America is poisoned. And it will remain to be so long after Trump is gone.

I am curious. Can you give some actual examples of this?

.. why it is that people even be enthusiastic and cheerful when applauding a tyrant to powers and seeing him destroying the old order.

Can you explain and give examples of Trump being a tyrant?

Just because one useful idiot got successfully smuggled into the highest office.

Can you give the exact details as to how Trump got 'smuggled into the highest office.'

The West is being ripped apart. Russia has won. I hate to admit it, but they played this so well that even now many Americans still do not believe that they were played against the wall, and enthusiastically defend the goal of this Russian coup.

Russia has a population of 143,964,709. Canada has a population of 36,937,913. Their GDP is almost the same.

Russia is Mexico with nukes. Look under your bed tonight.

"Truck Fonald Dump"...
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzp...a-1219001.html

[Catfish]

^ this article is actually not bad at all, but the english G00gle translation is beyond anything as usual..

The right quote would be "Don't let Trump be Trump" and it is spot on, for the non Fox/Breitbart media.

[Skybird]

^

A similar effect have citations in written media that are not adequately embedded in their context. The Trump message is always co-presented, and it unfolds its effect regardless of the classic editorial gymnastics around it - even more so with those who are media skeptical anyway.


When Trump would say tomorrow that the moon is made of cheese, the headlines would be:


"Trump: moon of cheese"
"Trump's statement on the moon is rejected by Nasa"
"Discussion about Trump's Controversial Moon Opinion"

Three days later, the effect can be seen on Facebook, in the form of contributions of the variety: "Nasa admits: Neil Amstrong's cousin was involved in a cheese factory at the time of the 'moon landing'. And "Cheese Moon - What are you hiding from us?". 200,000 likes. Then there come insightful debates that call for taking the fears and concerns of cheese-bourgeois citizens seriously.

The first questions in classical media emerge, if not a small part of the moon could at least theoretically be made of cheese - because of Merkel's error when supplementing the EU cheese regulation No. 608/2004 L 50 in the year 2015. Or if that is not allegorical anyway, and therefore worth considering. Ultimately, the poor cheese monks were forced into their worldview by the constant insistence of science that the moon was made of stone. One could not even mention the cheese moon without facing harsh objection: political correctness in its worst form - censorship, Stalin, cheese murder.

[Catfish]

"The headline "Trump explains and corrects itself" is an unintentional journalistic gift for Trump, born of the desire to respect the usual editorial rules. His "corrective" claim after 24 hours that he accidentally said "would" instead of "would not" is not even a bad lie and certainly no explanation or correction. It is sheer bullxxxxx."

I mean bovine scatology, since it is a quote and a translation i hope to get away with it

So true also for our media, when they are so stunned by brazen lies that they don't know how to answer properly, for what the "statement" initially asks – an at least verbal kick in the crotch.

[u crank]

Has any thing like this been reported in Der Spiegel?

Confirmed: DOJ Used Materially False Information To Secure Wiretaps On Trump Associate.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/23/...ump-associate/

After long suspecting that this might be true... guess what? It almost certainly is true. This is no little thing. The administration of Barak Obama spied on the campaign and the incoming administration of President Trump.

Newly released documents confirm House and Senate investigators’ claims that the Department of Justice and FBI used materially false and misleading information to secure wiretaps on Carter Page, a former volunteer foreign policy advisor to President Trump.

Despite claiming to the court in 2016 that “the FBI believes that Page has been collaborating and conspiring with the Russian Government,” the government has yet to charge Page with breaking any of the serious laws it alleges he knowingly transgressed.

It remains possible that Page is the most talented spy who ever walked the earth and fully deserved to be surveilled by the federal government. It is also possible that the surveillance was ordered merely because the country has an intelligence apparatus that was unable to recognize their main source was a liar whose sub-sources were at best playing him and whose recklessness left his little partisan research project open to manipulation by foreign adversaries.

Barring those options, our intelligence apparatus misled a FISA court with materially false claims.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by u crank

The administration of Barak Obama spied on the campaign and the incoming administration of President Trump.

Carter Page wasn't in the Trump campaign team anymore in October of 2016 when the first FISA application was filed.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Carter Page wasn't in the Trump campaign team anymore in October of 2016 when the first FISA application was filed.

That is correct Dowly. I believe, but can't find a source that says that the FISA warrant can gain access to previous communications, emails, phone records etc. Or maybe I just dreamed that.

[August]

[August]

Ok one more:

[Dowly]

Trump Proposes Mueller Interview With No Obstruction Questions

President Donald Trump would agree to an interview with Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigators if it’s limited to questions on whether his presidential campaign colluded with Russia in the 2016 election, lawyer Rudy Giuliani said on Monday night.

Trump is demanding in return that he isn’t asked questions about obstruction of justice in the probe into election interference, under a proposal the president’s legal team submitted to Mueller, Giuliani said.

The president’s legal team is concerned that Mueller and his staff might believe witnesses who contradicted Trump’s account, such as former FBI Director James Comey, Giuliani said. That could leave the president vulnerable to a perjury charge, he added.

He sure is scared for someone who keeps repeating how innocent he is.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Dowly

He sure is scared for someone who keeps repeating how innocent he is.

Possibly. From the linked article....

The president’s legal team is concerned that Mueller and his staff might believe witnesses who contradicted Trump’s account, such as former FBI Director James Comey, Giuliani said. That could leave the president vulnerable to a perjury charge, he added.

Trump should not submit to any interviews by Mueller's team. Not without a subpoena, and then fight that. Mueller's friendship with Comey is a glaring conflict of interest.

In my humble opinion.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by u crank

Mueller's friendship with Comey is a glaring conflict of interest.

*alleged friendship.