[WIP] Wolves of the Kaiser:1914-1918 Mod

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by Admiral Von Gerlach

I love the myriad small freighters of that era, that is a very nice centre island one you just made.

Let me know specific boats you may need photos of and I will be happy to dig for you, i am member on a number of naval history forums and there is a lot out there but it takes digging sometimes. thanks so much for your amazing efforts, this remains I believe potentially the only and best WWI full size naval sim yet, the others are strategic, or too small (Storm Eagles) .... i am praying that you have the strength to complete..and will do what I can to help you out.

This is an excellent site for photos and info on any ship from just about any navy:

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/index.php

it is frequented by professional naval historians and actual naval officers including formerly some from WWI, and a number from WWII

Great; I will take a look. I would like any pictures you might have of the following:

U-19 class
U-66 class
U-63 class
U-93 class
U-139 cruiser subs
UB-II class

I already have a few photos of them, and I realize you already posted some pix of U-20 etc. but of course the more the merrier.

I received my book yesterday and it's a dream come true! Beautiful full-color profile drawings, hundreds of pages, and photos I've never seen before. I hope the moderators don't mind the plug, but it's a must have for anyone who is a WWI sub fan:

http://www.amazon.com/Kaisers-U-Boot...6055720&sr=1-1

It also cleared up one issue for me: I was having trouble with U-20's conning tower because one of my sources had misidentified a photo of a later U-Boat as U-20. I will update the model to remove the bulges at the side of the tower - among other changes.

@ USS Drum: Yes; I may include some of the better looking stock freighters as long as they have an early 20th Century look to them.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

OK i have started a thread over on the history of ships forum and will add those boats for pictures....

re early 20 cent merchants, a very common feature was a plub ie straight up and down bow, counter sterns and high stacks due to the coal fired boiilers...also distinctive early 20th century vents and blowers and fog horns..high profile compared to later in the century....

I do love those early ships, they had a beauty all their own. Sad to say over 5000 of them were sent to the bottom of Davy Jone's locker by the U boats but that was war.

Here is one of the very best sources for images and information for merchant ships of that era:

US Department of the Navy World War I Era Cargo Ships Organized by Type:

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Onli...tp/ak/w1ak.htm

i think that one site will give you may pictures of ships that you may need...

and for British Merchant shipping, the best site is:

the Red Duster:

http://www.red-duster.co.uk/


that book looks wonderful congrats...

[Hylander_1314]

Originally Posted by iambecomelife

Great; I will take a look. I would like any pictures you might have of the following:

U-19 class
U-66 class
U-63 class
U-93 class
U-139 cruiser subs
UB-II class

I already have a few photos of them, and I realize you already posted some pix of U-20 etc. but of course the more the merrier.

I received my book yesterday and it's a dream come true! Beautiful full-color profile drawings, hundreds of pages, and photos I've never seen before. I hope the moderators don't mind the plug, but it's a must have for anyone who is a WWI sub fan:

http://www.amazon.com/Kaisers-U-Boot...6055720&sr=1-1

It also cleared up one issue for me: I was having trouble with U-20's conning tower because one of my sources had misidentified a photo of a later U-Boat as U-20. I will update the model to remove the bulges at the side of the tower - among other changes.

@ USS Drum: Yes; I may include some of the better looking stock freighters as long as they have an early 20th Century look to them.

Don't know if this will help, but Osprey Publications has a huge list of WWI books, and many on surface vessels, and subs.

It looks like this may be out of stock, but would be great for any 3D moddler. If you want, to left side of the page, unde the Period heading, click on WWI and scroll through the pages of books they have on the subject.

They are also loaded with pictures. I used there books for references when i made skins for the old Red Baron 3D Albatros DIII and DVa wings and tail colors. Lots of great info in them too!

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/stor..._9781841763620

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

U 20



U 53



Zeebruge WWI Sub Pens



U 14



U 53 Rhode Island 1916



U 35



Assorted Boats


French Boat, U 133 and U 24 after surrender

U 20




U 20 Scuttled



U 20 Austo Hungarian Fleet



U 22



U 88



UC 67



U 58 (being captured by US Navy)



U 53



U 53 conning tower



U 53



U 53

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

U 103




good example of dazzle paint Olympic



U 123



U 9



U 15



amazing site with great info on many of the most famous U boats of WWI

http://www.ww1medals.net/ww1_german_uboats.htm

U 88



U boats in Keil in 1916


U 12, U 7, U W, U 6



Deck view unkown type



U 9



In Port


this picture above shows U 19, U 20 U 21 and U 22, better view at bottom of this post

At surrender



U 19, U 20 U 21 U 22

[USS Drum]

Those aren't WWI the one a the far right is a IX-D2.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

OK i will delete that one, sorry, i am just finding pictures by their listings. thanks for the correction.

Here is a nice summary I found:

WWI German U Boat Classes

" kerosene-powered boats

o Type U 1, Type U 2, Type U 3, Type U 5, Type U 9, Type U 13, Type U 16, Type U 17

" Mittel-U MAN diesel boats

o Type U 19, Type U 23, Type U 27, Type U 31, Type U 43, Type U 51, Type U 57, Type U 63, Type U 66, Type Mittel U

" U-Cruisers and Merchant U-boats

o Type U 139, Type U 142, Type U 151

" UB coastal torpedo attack boats

o Type UB I, Type UB II, Type UB III

" UC coastal minelayers

o Type UC I, Type UC II, Type UC III

" UE ocean minelayers

o Type UE 1, Type UE 2

[steve_the_slim]

Some of those pictures appear to be mislabeled. The one that says "U 58 (being captured by US Navy)" is the same as "U 20 aground", and near the bottom you have two identical pictures labeled "U 9" and "U 15". You can clearly see a "15" painted on the bow, so I'm pretty sure that's not U9.

[Sailor Steve]

"U20 again" is the same picture as the first "U20".

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

I agree on the sub that appears in two different picture titles, someone got it wrong...i am just conveying resources i am finding, i think that is indeed the captured boat if i recall it from other sources...and not U 20 going aground.

I will try to come back and edit and correct shortly just posting more and an archive of new pics to share.

U 125 1918 just before being given to the IJN



U 9 Returning to Port after sinking three RN Cruisers






U 35 sub that sank over 200 ships....

195 ships sunk for a total of 466.518 GRT
2 warships sunk for a total of 2.500 tons
3 ships sunk for a total of 21.536 GRT

U 25 with a scouting Seaplane



U 25 shown here with what is said to be a 1A Friedrichshafen FF-29 Seaplane


U 12 and U 1




excellent thread with many photos and some info

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forum...man+submarines

any and all corrections very welcome as I do not know much at all about this era with submarines...my knowledge of WWI has been mostly surface ships.

Archive of Photos of German WWI U boats with interiors, conning tower views, con positions on conning towers, deck views, posters and ship pictures..

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21166...Photos+WWI.zip

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

I will try to find more...and please post any further corrections or additions to the info that anyone knows....

[iambecomelife]

Work on the 88mm gun for medium-sized U-Boats. A short barreled weapon totally different from the famous World War II 88. I have few sources and not much XP modeling weapons, unfortunately. If you have pictures of WWI 88's, you know what to do.

I checked Naval Weapons and they don't have a detailed diagram of this weapon; most of the details are being eyeballed in from what few photos I located.

[CCIP]

I believe the pictures I have from the Ottawa War Museum have a preserved 88 in a WWI U-boat mount...

I don't have any further details on which boat that is from though, unfortunately, and it seems like this one is missing a few parts.

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by iambecomelife

Work on the U-9 class submarines - small coastal boats which burned paraffin instead of diesel fuel. Consequently, they suffered from poor range compared to more modern U-Boats. Their fuel source also generated huge clouds of white smoke, making them easily visible. There were four boats in the class (U-9, U-10, U-11, and U-12). U-9, which sank "Aboukir", "Cressy", and "Hogue", was the only boat in the class to survive the war.

Whereas the shorter range of the paraffin boats was not due to the fuel type but due to an inefficient fuel tank arrangement. The first boats didn't had the arrangement where the oil drifts on water in the tank but had closed tube shaped tanks, that means there were extra tanks that were kept empty and then filled with water as the fuel is being expended to account for the weight loss. Overall this reduced the room left for the fuel to only 50% or less, which then obviously accounts for the shorter range.

Hey iam how's it going ? Nice to see your project still going.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Admiral Von Gerlach

I agree on the sub that appears in two different picture titles, someone got it wrong...i am just conveying resources i am finding, i think that is indeed the captured boat if i recall it from other sources...and not U 20 going aground.

Cool. I was just bringing to your attention, not trying to say that "you" were wrong. It's a great thing you're doing here, and some awesome pictures.