[REL] Fall of the rising Sun for SH4 V1.5 Version 1.2 - Page 58

Rockin Robbins · 08-18-13, 07:57 AM

I am so glad that AOTD Mad Max is working on a new version of FOTRS! Everybody bombards all the mod threads with "is there an SH4 mod like GWX???" And they get all the standard answers, "TMO! RFB! GFO!" and none of those are anything like GWX because their emphasis is on gameplay and GWX is tilted much more toward eye candy with all the extra details in ship types, water behavior, shore installations, canals, you name it.

Well, FOTRS has much the same balance of gameplay enhancement and eye candy goodies that GWS has. And it's a darned great mod that gets way less mention than it deserves. This thing is a masterpiece and when 2.0 comes out I'll be forced to pull out MultiSH4 again.

I do think it's comical to debate the details of which destroyer is which or whether Zeros should be dropping bombs on submarines. I don't know about you, but when I'm close enough that I could tell the difference, I'm submerged, maneuvering for my life and I'm not concerned about whether that thing up there trying to kill me looks like an Akizuki or a rubber ducky! If I ever see an airplane at all it's because I screwed the pooch. My goal is never to be able to determine whether that's the correct type of plane or not!

Fish40 · 08-18-13, 09:41 AM

I agree RR! My only fault is that I'm a realism addict, as well as an eye candy junkie. I currently play RFB + RSRD and assorted compatible mods. You are correct in saying FOTRS doesn't get the "air time" it deserves, and I've thought about giving it a go several times. Unfortunately, every time I want to make the move, the realism addict in me takes over. The fact that there is no compatible version of RSRD for this mod is a major show stopper for me, and probably the biggest reason for my not trying it.

I know that I could have multi installs so I could try several mega mods, but as I stated, If they're not geared towards realism, I'm afraid they're not for me.

Rockin Robbins · 08-18-13, 11:45 AM

But RFB is not realistic. Its mapping system is a pure comedy, where targets are visible when you are standing four feet from the table but if you zoom in closer they vanish. And that's only the beginning of why I don't play RFB. It just got to be a maddening game of "what could they possibly have been thinking. or were they even thinking at all beyond making arbitrary choices that make no sense."

I do have a mod, TMOPlot, that can be layered on top of RFB to restore some sense of sanity to the plot, but I'm much happier with the deals with the devil Ducimus made than the deals the RFB crew made.

Similarly, Lurker left his mod category of campaign mod to meddle in sonar, something that has nothing whatever to do with where ships are when and what they are doing. He decided arbitrarily that sonar would not work on the surface. Just turned it off! The fact is that the supersonic heads under the aft end of the forward torpedo room continued to work just fine on the surface and could even be used with varying effectiveness while under way! To deny us the use of one of three sonars, Lurker merely switched ALL of them off! Its completely unrealistic and contrary to historical fact.

I'm in favor of the option of playing realistically over making choices that rather than allow you to see one thing that isn't quite to entirely blind you to everything that you WOULD see. Realism lies in how the player plays much more in the mods denying the player information. Difficulty settings are not realism settings. And the bottom line is this: simulations are no place to look for reality. Reality doesn't live there.

J0313 · 08-30-13, 07:50 PM

Yep, its dead.

Rockin Robbins · 08-30-13, 08:25 PM

Let's see... Do I believe AVG Warhawk, moderator, Subsim denizen of the dark side since the dinosaurs walked the earth, named after the coolest fighter plane of WWII. Or......J0313, prognosticator poseur (sorry, my brain is firing on seven cylinders tonight. best I can do), misquoting some half-baked Bones thing from Star Trek?

Hmmmmmmmmm...... Guess I'll just have to flip a coin. Anybody got a coin?

J0313 · 08-30-13, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Let's see... Do I believe AVG Warhawk, moderator, Subsim denizen of the dark side since the dinosaurs walked the earth, named after the coolest fighter plane of WWII. Or......J0313, prognosticator poseur (sorry, my brain is firing on seven cylinders tonight. best I can do), misquoting some half-baked Bones thing from Star Trek?

Hmmmmmmmmm...... Guess I'll just have to flip a coin. Anybody got a coin?

Sorry, dont have a coin.

Rockin Robbins · 08-31-13, 07:04 AM

Darn! I'll just have to wait it out then......

Admiral Halsey · 09-07-13, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Let's see... Do I believe AVG Warhawk, moderator, Subsim denizen of the dark side since the dinosaurs walked the earth, named after the coolest fighter plane of WWII. Or......J0313, prognosticator poseur (sorry, my brain is firing on seven cylinders tonight. best I can do), misquoting some half-baked Bones thing from Star Trek?

Hmmmmmmmmm...... Guess I'll just have to flip a coin. Anybody got a coin?

You think the P-40 was WW2's coolest plane? I have two words for you good sir. P-51D Mustang.

Rockin Robbins · 09-07-13, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

You think the P-40 was WW2's coolest plane? I have two words for you good sir. P-51D Mustang.

P-40 was the coolest plane because it was the first to get the best of the Zero. Claire L. Chennaul used brains and cunning to mitigate the disadvantages and use the advantages of the P-40 to down 229 enemy planes in air combat against 12 AVG killed. This was against "superior" aircraft flying in much greater numbers than the AVG was ever able to muster.

Winning with the best, fastest and longest range aircraft in the world is expected.

Flying with obsolete aircraft, inexperienced aviators, flying out of God-forsaken jungle without decent supplies and bases and still having a better kill ratio than the P-51s is ultimately cool! Much cooler than the P-51s. And those shark noses just closed the deal slam shut!

No comparison. P-40s rule. P-51s drool.

HertogJan · 09-07-13, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

You think the P-40 was WW2's coolest plane? I have two words for you good sir. P-51D Mustang.

Got two loves, the P51 D Mustang and the F4U Corsair, altho the latter had big flaws.

Rockin Robbins · 09-07-13, 02:07 PM

How about the F2G. Corsair on steroids!

HertogJan · 09-07-13, 02:12 PM

That'll do just fine, still it had very poor visibility from 0800 low to 1600 low and everything in between

Admiral Halsey · 09-07-13, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

How about the F2G. Corsair on steroids!

Nah the F8F will do for me.

J0313 · 09-08-13, 12:28 AM

3 months since any word from Madmax. Hmmm, think this mod is history. Oh well.

agrims · 09-08-13, 01:04 AM

Patience my friend. So many mods that have been in progress for years now, but there are people who still care and I am sure if Max says it will be released, then it will probably be released. Real life happens sometimes, and things hold us up. There is what, 3 or 4 modders that are still working seriously on things between SH4 and 5.. Look at poor iambecome life... his super mod has basically been all him, for like the past several years, and it isn't released yet, people thought it was dead, and look, a few days ago, he posted a preview.

Now, if I could mod, I would. I can build the best computer on the planet, OC it to an inch of it's life, and can tell you most of everything that makes up it's equipment, but software and me, NO BUENO!!!

08-18-13, 07:57 AM	#856
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	I am so glad that AOTD Mad Max is working on a new version of FOTRS! Everybody bombards all the mod threads with "is there an SH4 mod like GWX???" And they get all the standard answers, "TMO! RFB! GFO!" and none of those are anything like GWX because their emphasis is on gameplay and GWX is tilted much more toward eye candy with all the extra details in ship types, water behavior, shore installations, canals, you name it. Well, FOTRS has much the same balance of gameplay enhancement and eye candy goodies that GWS has. And it's a darned great mod that gets way less mention than it deserves. This thing is a masterpiece and when 2.0 comes out I'll be forced to pull out MultiSH4 again. I do think it's comical to debate the details of which destroyer is which or whether Zeros should be dropping bombs on submarines. I don't know about you, but when I'm close enough that I could tell the difference, I'm submerged, maneuvering for my life and I'm not concerned about whether that thing up there trying to kill me looks like an Akizuki or a rubber ducky! If I ever see an airplane at all it's because I screwed the pooch. My goal is never to be able to determine whether that's the correct type of plane or not! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

08-18-13, 11:45 AM	#858
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	But RFB is not realistic. Its mapping system is a pure comedy, where targets are visible when you are standing four feet from the table but if you zoom in closer they vanish. And that's only the beginning of why I don't play RFB. It just got to be a maddening game of "what could they possibly have been thinking. or were they even thinking at all beyond making arbitrary choices that make no sense." I do have a mod, TMOPlot, that can be layered on top of RFB to restore some sense of sanity to the plot, but I'm much happier with the deals with the devil Ducimus made than the deals the RFB crew made. Similarly, Lurker left his mod category of campaign mod to meddle in sonar, something that has nothing whatever to do with where ships are when and what they are doing. He decided arbitrarily that sonar would not work on the surface. Just turned it off! The fact is that the supersonic heads under the aft end of the forward torpedo room continued to work just fine on the surface and could even be used with varying effectiveness while under way! To deny us the use of one of three sonars, Lurker merely switched ALL of them off! Its completely unrealistic and contrary to historical fact. I'm in favor of the option of playing realistically over making choices that rather than allow you to see one thing that isn't quite to entirely blind you to everything that you WOULD see. Realism lies in how the player plays much more in the mods denying the player information. Difficulty settings are not realism settings. And the bottom line is this: simulations are no place to look for reality. Reality doesn't live there. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 08-18-13 at 11:58 AM.

08-30-13, 07:50 PM	#859
J0313 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 875 Downloads: 1789 Uploads: 0	DED! Dead. Yep, its dead.

08-30-13, 08:25 PM	#860
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Let's see... Do I believe AVG Warhawk, moderator, Subsim denizen of the dark side since the dinosaurs walked the earth, named after the coolest fighter plane of WWII. Or......J0313, prognosticator poseur (sorry, my brain is firing on seven cylinders tonight. best I can do), misquoting some half-baked Bones thing from Star Trek? Hmmmmmmmmm...... Guess I'll just have to flip a coin. Anybody got a coin? __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

08-31-13, 07:04 AM	#862
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Darn! I'll just have to wait it out then...... __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

08-18-13, 09:41 AM	#857
Fish40 The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yonkers, NY U.S.A. Posts: 1,507 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	I agree RR! My only fault is that I'm a realism addict, as well as an eye candy junkie. I currently play RFB + RSRD and assorted compatible mods. You are correct in saying FOTRS doesn't get the "air time" it deserves, and I've thought about giving it a go several times. Unfortunately, every time I want to make the move, the realism addict in me takes over. The fact that there is no compatible version of RSRD for this mod is a major show stopper for me, and probably the biggest reason for my not trying it. I know that I could have multi installs so I could try several mega mods, but as I stated, If they're not geared towards realism, I'm afraid they're not for me.

09-07-13, 02:07 PM	#866
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	How about the F2G. Corsair on steroids! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

09-07-13, 02:12 PM	#867
HertogJan Weps Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 357 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	That'll do just fine, still it had very poor visibility from 0800 low to 1600 low and everything in between

09-08-13, 12:28 AM	#869
J0313 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 875 Downloads: 1789 Uploads: 0	Bye,bye. 3 months since any word from Madmax. Hmmm, think this mod is history. Oh well.

09-08-13, 01:04 AM	#870
agrims Watch Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 22 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	Patience my friend. So many mods that have been in progress for years now, but there are people who still care and I am sure if Max says it will be released, then it will probably be released. Real life happens sometimes, and things hold us up. There is what, 3 or 4 modders that are still working seriously on things between SH4 and 5.. Look at poor iambecome life... his super mod has basically been all him, for like the past several years, and it isn't released yet, people thought it was dead, and look, a few days ago, he posted a preview. Now, if I could mod, I would. I can build the best computer on the planet, OC it to an inch of it's life, and can tell you most of everything that makes up it's equipment, but software and me, NO BUENO!!!