[REL] Real Environment mod

[neosnk35]

i tried to use the debris with dead bodies from PE4 over RE.. and it did work.. but there were no oil slick, i think it came from the other files of PE4

[andrut82]

Yep, the debris with bodies works ok, I noticed something else though...In training mission "torpedo attack" I sunk the cruiser with ONE torpedo(with NSM 4 activated), it looks like some "sweet spots" (like these in SH3, the engine, fuel bunker etc) were activated, I hit it under the bride and it instantly went off like a firecracker.

[neosnk35]

no fare i didnt notice that andru.. i tried it with that mission too, cost me three fish... the transfarency effect seems not working with the debris and bodies(or its just my rig)

[andrut82]

try the front section of the bow, between the bridge and 3rd gun turret.

[clayman]

Wow .... what a looker! Thanks for all the hard work K2 and wclear

I do wish I could get the debris and oil slick back. As noted above, will running anything else with RE get it back? Trigger Maru? I was only running PE4 w/ NSM4 in my/SH4's last incarnation.

[Ivan Putski]

I`m running FOTRS at present, just installed part #1 and #4 it`s running great with no fps loss here, thanks guys looking forward to further developments of this. Puts

[Vikinger]

Iam running TMO and RSRDC and installed enviro mod part 1, 4 as last and i have the oil slick and the debris.

But the oil slick look a bit odd when there is heavy seas Its like a black lid floating atop of the waves.

You can check in the sh4/Data folder and open the file zones.cfg whit notepad.

Check the entries if it says like this:

example:

NCargoFuel]
,
,
,
,
,

CargoType=Custom
Crash Depth 7.2
Effect1=#Catastrofic_explosion, 75
Effect2=#Fire_big, 50
Effect3=#Oil_trace, 100
;Effect4=#dc_bubbles, 20
;Effect5=#Oil_trace, 20


If you se thos semi colon " ; " before any effects you can remove them and hope that solve the problem. A semi colon means that the game will ignore the effect.

[kiwi_2005]

Will this mod work with FOTRS, and if so I presume i add it last?

[andrut82]

one more question ;P
default torpedo wake looks like <censored>
is it possible to import good PE4 torpedo wake to RE? :P

[Soundman]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I am not clear on this fog issue. If I read correctly Ducimas said there could be problems with the merchants guns showing up. Maybe he was referring to if you tried to change the fog factors.

So, is there a way to change the fog with TMORSRD without messing up TMO1.7's guns...anything.

I don't like the fog, but overall it's such a great work I would rather deal with it than give it up.

You can actually sneak into convoys without a problem and using OKane and sometimes just guessing get hits. You get within 400yards, being able to lock on or not, just line up and shoot and you're gonna hit. I always wanted to do night surface attacks. In one way, fog makes this possible, but in the other it may dumb the AI down too much. You can sneak in a convoy and sink as many merchants and dd's as your ammo allows without them ever seeing you...just stay 300 yards behind a dd and he's easy prey, repeat the process, then take out the merchant ships.

I havent read, but it almost seems that the light fog renders the same AI effects as if it were heavy....

I saw the post that adjust the fog circle, so if someone will clarify if it works without messing TMO1.7 up.

I'm not sure of what you speak about guns, but what I was refering to was Ducimus' statement that carefull attention needs to be paid to altering things such as fog, weather or the enviroment in general, that it also effects the "locking'" capabilities, the abilities of crew to visualize and sensors as well. It seems tweaking one parameter, necessitates the changing of many others in order to keep all the right playabilty factors syncronized and in balance. i.e., it gets complicated. Bottom line is..Ducimus tweaked his mods carefully for proper gameplay and said not to blame him for improper gameplay if you put an enviro mod on top. That's why we need enviro mods specifically for TMO, RFB, stock, etc.

[Wilcke]

Soundman,

You hit the nail on the head! Sound advise may man!

I agree the Vigilante was an awesome aircraft and that it was carrier based made it even more so.

[SilentAngel]

Hi, im using operation monsun, and the submarine roll doesnt seem to work with the uboats, its fine with the fleet boats any files i should adjust?

[Vikinger]

Originally Posted by SilentAngel

Hi, im using operation monsun, and the submarine roll doesnt seem to work with the uboats, its fine with the fleet boats any files i should adjust?

Hi.
I assume you mean that you want more pitch and roll.

For that you need to change the values for your self.

You need a nifty little program called S3D Editor.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=119571


Download and install the program.

Start the program and select to open a file. Locate where you have Silenthunter4/Data/Submarine/Nss_gato and open the file Nss_Gato.sim file.

(You can do this for any sub in the Submarine directory. Its the .sim file you sould aim for)

When the file is loaded into the editor you will se some nodes like:
2:Cmdr_AiHumanSub
4bj_turret

Go to.

10:unit_submarine and click the little arrow and you will se
11:unit_submarine poping up ( click on this name) and you will get some "info" to the right that is called property tree.

Click the arrow there and navigate down to obj_hydro.
The full path i the property tree are: Unit_submarine/ Unit_ship/Obj_hydro.

There you should se a value called gc_height=2.50 ( or whatever it could be for value)

That value means Gravity center height and if you increase that value abit you raise the gravity center of the submarine and it will roll more.
Clcik the value and type in the new value in the bottom box and dont forget to save the file so it will take effect.

Start the game and get ready to puke as you get seasick

Note. Dont raise the value to much. Increase it max in steps of 0.2.
If you get to high value the submarine will flip and turn upside down.
Even if the sub goes nice on the surface it can flip upside down when you dive.

So test and do small changes untill you find something you are satisfied whit.


There are other values that also affect the pitch and roll but this is the most easiest value to change for an high effect.

I have upped my Gato value to 3.52 and that is enough for me to get seasick from

Vikinger.

[andrut82]

thx vikinger, i hope it will solve my problem of gato swinging like insane ^^

BTW, RE + PE4 special effects for NSM4 =
he took 1 torp in the engine room

[jlmurc]

Thanks for yet more hard work that you keep doing, to increase our continued enjoyment of SH 4. It really is much appreciated

I must dash and get it installed forthwith, so that I can marvel at the result of your labour.

Aye, Aye,

John