Paris on fire

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Regarding being able to pay bills, i have been there not so long ago. However my first idea in such circumstances is to sell the car, because it is luxury. You can always use the public transportation system.

Which certainly does not apply when you really need a car to earn your money. Especially when you are self-employed, or own a company. However the latter mostly pass the costs on to the customers..

What do you do against unnecessary greed, from products you need for living, to oil prices? Wouldn't it be better to have another (than oil) resource for commuting, and transport
But yes, forcing taxes obviously does not take account of the present social situation. The road to hell is plastered with good intentions..

So yes, you are right.

But what is the better alternative source for commuting and transport on the road? I don't believe battery powered cars are the 'clean' answer, sure they don't spoil the air but what about the impact producing and disposing these batteries are having on the enviroment? If more and more move to battery powered cars it'll have a big impact on nature mining the resources needed, we'll polute the enviroment producing the batteries and some god forsaken third world country will have to deal with our waste on their soil poluting the groundwater that they need to wash and drink.

edit: still, i cannot see another government (left or right) being able to rise the worker's salary at a 35 percent to soothe the masses, as they did in the 1950ies. Both cannot, and the latter will not even want to.

Nope but salaries should go up to compensate for the inflation and increase in taxes or just inflation if they reduced the tax burden.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Because of fuel prices?

I don't think the Poilu are big tea drinkers so why not?

[Catfish]

^

Originally Posted by HunterICX

[...]salaries should go up to compensate for the inflation and increase in taxes or just inflation if they reduced the tax burden.

Right, however raising loans will directly put pressure on business and companies, and you know how well such "socialist" ideas are received
B.t.w. the increasing of prices/adjusting of loans which lead to inflation is the real driver why any currency must fail at some point.


OT regarding Paris:
Regarding electric cars.. i am not a fan of that either, at least not now.

(I had a car with an engine using 'canola' (rape seed oil) instead of Diesel. The car was from 1986, weighed around 1,2 tons, did a hundred mph and was able to go 78,4 miles per gallon. Nowadays you have cars with a similar usability transport-wise, but needing a lot more fuel. They are more heavy, have ABS, airbag and all that of course. The engine and mpg seem not to matter anymore, they all have at least a hundred hp. Is that really needed to get one person to work. We see those 400 hp SUV monsters with a woman driving her kid to the Kindergarten. I think this is ridiculous.)

It is not only the batteries, which pollute the environment during production, and 'recycling'. It is the whole process of its life cycle, along with heavy line loss from plant to charging, and the charging itself also uses loses a lot of energy. Not to forget the energy has to be produced somewhere.. nuclear? Coal?

Looking at overall energy bilancing the electric car cannot compete with small individual combustion engines yet. Not at the technological level we are now. As you said, the foreign pollution regarding rare earths and waste sent back also have to be taken into account.

[Rockstar]

Macron says the fuel tax increases are part of his effort to combat climate change, wanting to persuade French drivers to exchange diesel-fuelled cars for less polluting models.

He said on Saturday he would not deviate from his policy goals.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-f...-idUSKBN1O20UZ

So I'm wondering what less polluting models does President Moron have in mind? I'm sure the rich guy who wants the army to quell the riot can buy one. But Im wondering where can those most affected by these tax hikes i.e the vast majority of citizens buy them? Where's the dealership that stocks them? Whats the make and model of these 'less polluting' models people are supposed to go out and buy? Oh wait Im sorry not buy, but 'exchange' for their more polluting cars?

[Jimbuna]

I was a little shocked when I read of the possiblr rise in retirement age from 60 to 62.

Here in the UK it has risen from 60 for females and 65 for males to a joint 66 and future rises are being planned.

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

You can always use the public transportation system.

Spoken like a true city dweller as if that's an option for everyone.

[Reece]

66.5 for my wife here in Australia and higher for the younger generation.

[August]

Over here it's age 62 for a reduced amount (in my case about 1500 per month). I get another 5-600 per month or so on top of that if I wait until 66 and 5/6ths (10mo) and another 5-600 per month if I wait until 70.

Of course if I wait until 66 then it'll take me until i'm about 85 before I break even with the amount I lost between 62 and 66.

[mapuc]

(some off topic info about retirement in Denmark)
Same here in Denmark.

The younger a Danish person is thou longer he or she to wait before they can retire from they job.

If a Danish person is born before 1st Jan. -54, they can retire when they are 65 years old.

If a Danish person is born after 1 Jan. -67, they can retire when they are 69 years old.

I can retire when I'm 68 years old.

Markus
(End of some off topic.)

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by August

Over here it's age 62 for a reduced amount (in my case about 1500 per month). I get another 5-600 per month or so on top of that if I wait until 66 and 5/6ths (10mo) and another 5-600 per month if I wait until 70.

Of course if I wait until 66 then it'll take me until i'm about 85 before I break even with the amount I lost between 62 and 66.

That's the thing isn't it?

There's always a catch or gamble involved.

[Catfish]

^ So, compared to other countries the french are not so much worse off when it comes to the age of retirement?
Still, there are a lot living below poverty level

[Jimbuna]

There can't be many EU members or those in the developed world for that matter whose citizens are paid less than UK pensioners.

[em2nought]

Macron should place a green tax on wine. Vive la révolution!

[Buddahaid]

I could retire now at 62 but I don't want to retire. I like my work and am at the top of my earning curve so I'll keep working as long as I can and they let me. I think I'm afraid of turning old if I have no compelling reason to get up.

[Rockstar]

The Latest on mass protests in France

French President Emmanuel Macron has scrapped a fuel tax rise amid fears of new violence, after weeks of nationwide protests and the worst rioting in Paris in decades.
An official with the Elysee palace told The Associated Press on Wednesday that the president decided to get rid of the tax.
Philippe told lawmakers that "the tax is now abandoned" in the 2019 budget, and the government is "ready for dialogue." The budget can be adjusted or renegotiated through the course of the year.
Three weeks of protests have left four people dead and were a massive challenge to Macron.

One of the activists leading France's protest movement says that he fears more deaths if Saturday's demonstration goes ahead, and called for President Emmanuel Macron to speak out and bring calm.
Christophe Chalencon said that "if not there will be chaos," with risks of more deaths.
Chalencon said in an interview Wednesday with The Associated Press that the grassroots movement, triggered by fuel tax hikes, has grown amid Macron's silence.
Four people have died since protests began in November. Violent rampaging last Saturday devastated the French capital.
Chalencon, a 52-year-old blacksmith, said the public needed Macron to "admit he made a mistake, with simple words ... that touch the guts and heart of the French."
He said the prime minister's announcement Tuesday of a freeze on tax hikes "had no resonance."


The concessions made by France's prime minister in a bid to stop the huge and violent anti-government demonstrations that have been rocking France over the past three weeks, seem to have so far failed to convince protesters, with trade unions and farmers now threatening to join the fray.
A day after Edouard Philippe announced a suspension of planned fuel tax hikes that kicked off protests, the "yellow vest" protest movement showed no sign of slowing down on Wednesday. Students opposed to a university application system remained mobilized, trucking unions called for a rolling strike and France's largest farm union threatened to launch protests next week.
A joint statement from the CGT and FO trucking unions protesting a cut to overtime rates called for action from Sunday night.


https://abcnews.go.com/International...speak-59624047


I can smell the decorum just oozing from President Moron