Question Regarding H.sie Patcher

Delta Wolf · 01-10-14, 03:29 PM

Hey Guys,

Just installed Hsie's patcher and all is working ok, however i am slightly confused with regard to this part of the read me and would just like a little clarification if possible please?

On the read me it says....

3.1) Adding the new messages
The new messages, which are required for some of the fixes, can be found in two files named
_Append_to_en_menu.txt (english language) and _Append_to_de_menu.txt (german). As
the filename suggests, the messages contained in these files must be appended to your
individual en_menu.txt and de_menu.txt file of your sh3-installation. Instead of directly
editing the files of your sh3-installation, I recommend the following procedure:
a. Activate ALL your desired JSGME-Mods in the correct order.
b. Copy both en_menu.txt and de_menu.txt of your sh3-installation into the (empty)
\Data\Menu - folder of the Supplement-Mod.
c. Append the new messages to the en_menu.txt / de_menu.txt files of your Supplement
Mod.

It's part C that im confused about.

So do i just copy the lines to the end of my en_menu.txt? or do i have to add them to certain parts of that file?

I know this might seem like a silly question to some and i apologize if it is but the reason i ask is because i have noticed that the text lines have numbers at the start and i was unsure if i have to add the lines in the right numerical order?

Thanks guys

areo16 · 01-10-14, 04:06 PM

I would put the text lines in the en_menu.txt file in numerical order. You will see that everything is numerical. Be sure its in order.

Delta Wolf · 01-10-14, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by areo16

I would put the text lines in the en_menu.txt file in numerical order. You will see that everything is numerical. Be sure its in order.

Thanks Areo16, i will do that now

Delta Wolf · 01-10-14, 05:31 PM

Well it did not work, still getting empty messages in the message console

I get this waning when i go to install the supplement mod in JSGME

"de_menu.txt" has already been altered by the "OLC 'Gold' MkII ~ Option 3 ~ Environment with EDE and GUI" mod.
"de_menu.txt" has already been altered by the "ACM Reloaded for OLC 'Gold' MkII" mod.
"en_menu.txt" has already been altered by the "Thomsen's Sound Pack V3.2cg" mod.
"en_menu.txt" has already been altered by the "OLC 'Gold' MkII ~ Option 3 ~ Environment with EDE and GUI" mod.
"en_menu.txt" has already been altered by the "ACM Reloaded for OLC 'Gold' MkII" mod.

I wonder if i should take a copy of the the last file (ACM Reloaded) en_menu.txt's file and put it in the into the empty
\Data\Menu - folder of the Supplement-Mod. seen as that is the last file to be overwritten?

At the moment i am taking a copy from :silenthunter3/data/menu and putting it in the empty into the empty
\Data\Menu - folder of the Supplement-Mod.

Then adding the extra lines to that

any help or advice would be great... thanks all

radcapricorn · 01-10-14, 06:02 PM

Yes, normally that's exactly what you should do. Your silenthunter3/data/menu/*.txt files are the ones from the last mod that modifies them. So you should take that and add h.sie's additional strings to it.

But... Think of it like that: every mod you install replaces the files it warns you about. So whatever ends up in your data folders is the most "current" state. Granted, it can be sometimes incorrect i.e. if one mod replaces a file that another one depends on, but in this case it shouldn't really matter. I mean, as long as h.sie's additional strings are there, you should see them. If you don't, then you've either not installed something or the patcher didn't work.

Delta Wolf · 01-10-14, 06:29 PM

Ok..

Seems to work if i dont load the game via SH3 Commander??
Maybe i need to remove all mods roll back and install mods again.

I'll report back...

@radcapricorn Thanks for your help on the ACM Reloaded scope filters....
Worked a treat

radcapricorn · 01-10-14, 06:39 PM

You're welcome

Hmm... If the problem only appears when using SH3Commander... Maybe you have some mod for SH3Commander itself that replaces those files every time you run the game?

Delta Wolf · 01-10-14, 08:51 PM

Hi Guys,

Got it to work by rolling back Commander then removing all mods, then then adding all mods again.......

Guess i must have missed a rollback somewhere between mods

radcapricorn · 01-10-14, 09:37 PM

Use the auto rollback feature, it's invaluable

Glad you've sorted it out. Happy hunting

BigWalleye · 01-11-14, 07:54 AM

Auto Rollback works great - except, what happens if you experience a CTD? CTD does not exit via Commander. Are you now rolled back, or not? Does Commander know how to cope with this situation? If you restart Commander, it recognizes that Auto Rollback is enabled, and does not give you the option to manually roll back. If you then restart SH3 from Commander, it overwrites a new copy of the Commander changes, and saves the "old" files - which already contained the Commander changes. Then, when you exit Commander after this session, it "rolls back" - to the changed files.

So Auto Rollback is a fine idea, as long as you never experience an in-game CTD. A while back, I got myself wrapped around the axle this way. Had to do a complete reinstall. (I know, I know! I should have saved a snapshot! Din't.) Now I use Manual Rollback and always roll back before exiting Commander. If anyone knows a way to avoid this, I'd love to hear about it.

Delta Wolf · 01-11-14, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigWalleye

Auto Rollback works great - except, what happens if you experience a CTD? CTD does not exit via Commander. Are you now rolled back, or not? Does Commander know how to cope with this situation? If you restart Commander, it recognizes that Auto Rollback is enabled, and does not give you the option to manually roll back. If you then restart SH3 from Commander, it overwrites a new copy of the Commander changes, and saves the "old" files - which already contained the Commander changes. Then, when you exit Commander after this session, it "rolls back" - to the changed files.

So Auto Rollback is a fine idea, as long as you never experience an in-game CTD. A while back, I got myself wrapped around the axle this way. Had to do a complete reinstall. (I know, I know! I should have saved a snapshot! Din't.) Now I use Manual Rollback and always roll back before exiting Commander. If anyone knows a way to avoid this, I'd love to hear about it.

Thanks for the info Bigwalleye, ill keep that in mind

radcapricorn · 01-11-14, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigWalleye

Auto Rollback works great - except, what happens if you experience a CTD? CTD does not exit via Commander.

Are you absolutely sure that is the case? I never experienced problems with rollbacks after a CTD. And I wouldn't expect it since (from a programmer's point of view), Commander should wait for sh3 process to exit and perform a rollback no matter how that exit occured. Now in exceptional cases (like complete computer freezes, power outages, etc.) this wouldn't happen, and I am not sure if Commander accounts for that.

BigWalleye · 01-11-14, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radcapricorn

Are you absolutely sure that is the case? I never experienced problems with rollbacks after a CTD. And I wouldn't expect it since (from a programmer's point of view), Commander should wait for sh3 process to exit and perform a rollback no matter how that exit occured. Now in exceptional cases (like complete computer freezes, power outages, etc.) this wouldn't happen, and I am not sure if Commander accounts for that.

No, I am not absolutely sure. But I'm not sure what Win7 does when a program has a pathological termination. I do know this: With Manual Rollback selected, I start SH3 from Commander. If SH3 terminates normally, Commander is restarted, displays updated patrol information, and gives me the option to do a Manual Rollback. But if SH3 terminates via a CTD, Commander is NOT restarted. I go straight back to the desktop. (CTD) I can manually relaunch Commander, and it shows no update to patrol data (expected, of course) and Commander gives me the option to manually roll back. That is, Commander knows that it has altered files and written those altered files to the active game folder, and that it has not replaced those altered files with the originals which it saved.

If a CTD with Manual Rollback selected caused Commander to resume, with the option to roll back available, I would believe you were probably correct. But that is not what happens. While I am not sure that Auto Rollback does not work after a CTD, I prefer to err on the side of caution and only use Manual Rollback. This became an issue at a time when I was having a lot of CTDs and trying to troubleshoot the problem. The CTDs are gone, but I still use Manual Rollback. Of course, I could do an examination of the files that Commander alters and see if they were restored after a CTD. But honestly, I just haven't bothered.

radcapricorn · 01-11-14, 10:36 AM

Hmm. Well, I guess to be absolutely sure we'd have to ask JScones

BigWalleye · 01-11-14, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radcapricorn

Hmm. Well, I guess to be absolutely sure we'd have to ask JScones

Actually, there is another way, as I mentioned above, and it is more reliable than asking the programmer to remember what he did 4 years ago. (I know from experience how reliable that is!)

We know (can look in the Commander files and see) what changes Commander makes to text files before overwriting them. Start Commander. Start SH3. Pause SH3. Go to the altered files and look at them, to verify that the files have been altered. Unpause SH3. Now force a CTD. (Your choice of methods....) Now check the altered files to see if they have been restored. You will know unequivocally whether they are or not. Neither documentation nor programmer memory is ever a guarantee of what a program is actually doing. The only sure way to know what a program is doing is to see what it does.

Personally, I have had my share of CTDs. I don't want to create one intentionally, even to further human knowledge.

YMMV.

01-10-14, 03:29 PM	#1
Delta Wolf Engineer Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 209 Downloads: 155 Uploads: 0	Question Regarding H.sie Patcher Hey Guys, Just installed Hsie's patcher and all is working ok, however i am slightly confused with regard to this part of the read me and would just like a little clarification if possible please? On the read me it says.... 3.1) Adding the new messages The new messages, which are required for some of the fixes, can be found in two files named _Append_to_en_menu.txt (english language) and _Append_to_de_menu.txt (german). As the filename suggests, the messages contained in these files must be appended to your individual en_menu.txt and de_menu.txt file of your sh3-installation. Instead of directly editing the files of your sh3-installation, I recommend the following procedure: a. Activate ALL your desired JSGME-Mods in the correct order. b. Copy both en_menu.txt and de_menu.txt of your sh3-installation into the (empty) \Data\Menu - folder of the Supplement-Mod. c. Append the new messages to the en_menu.txt / de_menu.txt files of your Supplement Mod. It's part C that im confused about. So do i just copy the lines to the end of my en_menu.txt? or do i have to add them to certain parts of that file? I know this might seem like a silly question to some and i apologize if it is but the reason i ask is because i have noticed that the text lines have numbers at the start and i was unsure if i have to add the lines in the right numerical order? Thanks guys

01-10-14, 05:31 PM	#4
Delta Wolf Engineer Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 209 Downloads: 155 Uploads: 0	Well it did not work, still getting empty messages in the message console I get this waning when i go to install the supplement mod in JSGME "de_menu.txt" has already been altered by the "OLC 'Gold' MkII ~ Option 3 ~ Environment with EDE and GUI" mod. "de_menu.txt" has already been altered by the "ACM Reloaded for OLC 'Gold' MkII" mod. "en_menu.txt" has already been altered by the "Thomsen's Sound Pack V3.2cg" mod. "en_menu.txt" has already been altered by the "OLC 'Gold' MkII ~ Option 3 ~ Environment with EDE and GUI" mod. "en_menu.txt" has already been altered by the "ACM Reloaded for OLC 'Gold' MkII" mod. I wonder if i should take a copy of the the last file (ACM Reloaded) en_menu.txt's file and put it in the into the empty \Data\Menu - folder of the Supplement-Mod. seen as that is the last file to be overwritten? At the moment i am taking a copy from :silenthunter3/data/menu and putting it in the empty into the empty \Data\Menu - folder of the Supplement-Mod. Then adding the extra lines to that any help or advice would be great... thanks all Last edited by Delta Wolf; 01-10-14 at 05:50 PM.

01-10-14, 04:06 PM	#2
areo16 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 377 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	I would put the text lines in the en_menu.txt file in numerical order. You will see that everything is numerical. Be sure its in order.

01-10-14, 06:02 PM	#5
radcapricorn Helmsman Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 105 Downloads: 181 Uploads: 0	Yes, normally that's exactly what you should do. Your silenthunter3/data/menu/.txt files are* the ones from the last mod that modifies them. So you should take that and add h.sie's additional strings to it. But... Think of it like that: every mod you install replaces the files it warns you about. So whatever ends up in your data folders is the most "current" state. Granted, it can be sometimes incorrect i.e. if one mod replaces a file that another one depends on, but in this case it shouldn't really matter. I mean, as long as h.sie's additional strings are there, you should see them. If you don't, then you've either not installed something or the patcher didn't work.

01-10-14, 06:29 PM	#6
Delta Wolf Engineer Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 209 Downloads: 155 Uploads: 0	Ok.. Seems to work if i dont load the game via SH3 Commander?? Maybe i need to remove all mods roll back and install mods again. I'll report back... @radcapricorn Thanks for your help on the ACM Reloaded scope filters.... Worked a treat

01-10-14, 06:39 PM	#7
radcapricorn Helmsman Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 105 Downloads: 181 Uploads: 0	You're welcome Hmm... If the problem only appears when using SH3Commander... Maybe you have some mod for SH3Commander itself that replaces those files every time you run the game?

01-10-14, 08:51 PM	#8
Delta Wolf Engineer Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 209 Downloads: 155 Uploads: 0	Hi Guys, Got it to work by rolling back Commander then removing all mods, then then adding all mods again....... Guess i must have missed a rollback somewhere between mods

01-10-14, 09:37 PM	#9
radcapricorn Helmsman Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 105 Downloads: 181 Uploads: 0	Use the auto rollback feature, it's invaluable Glad you've sorted it out. Happy hunting

01-11-14, 07:54 AM	#10
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Auto Rollback works great - except, what happens if you experience a CTD? CTD does not exit via Commander. Are you now rolled back, or not? Does Commander know how to cope with this situation? If you restart Commander, it recognizes that Auto Rollback is enabled, and does not give you the option to manually roll back. If you then restart SH3 from Commander, it overwrites a new copy of the Commander changes, and saves the "old" files - which already contained the Commander changes. Then, when you exit Commander after this session, it "rolls back" - to the changed files. So Auto Rollback is a fine idea, as long as you never experience an in-game CTD. A while back, I got myself wrapped around the axle this way. Had to do a complete reinstall. (I know, I know! I should have saved a snapshot! Din't.) Now I use Manual Rollback and always roll back before exiting Commander. If anyone knows a way to avoid this, I'd love to hear about it.

01-11-14, 10:36 AM	#14
radcapricorn Helmsman Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 105 Downloads: 181 Uploads: 0	Hmm. Well, I guess to be absolutely sure we'd have to ask JScones