Subsim Narwhal Contest - Mod is now available, see post #662

[Highbury]

I hadn't looked at this thread in awhile, but in regards to the gun platform changes made on pages 9 - 10 of this thread. Since those changes the platform looks like the ends are perfect circles, connected by a slightly narrower portion. The look on page 9 before the changes, needed a bit of smoothing, but IMO the changes were too drastic.

As you can see in this top down blueprint, the platform should be "flared" at the ends, but not a perfect circle. It is also shown quite well in your posted Photo at the top of post #207 Keltos.



Hope you understand what I mean.

[keltos01]

Originally Posted by Highbury

I hadn't looked at this thread in awhile, but in regards to the gun platform changes made on pages 9 - 10 of this thread. Since those changes the platform looks like the ends are perfect circles, connected by a slightly narrower portion. The look on page 9 before the changes, needed a bit of smoothing, but IMO the changes were too drastic.

As you can see in this top down blueprint, the platform should be "flared" at the ends, but not a perfect circle. It is also shown quite well in your posted Photo at the top of post #207 Keltos.



Hope you understand what I mean.

I do, but I was told to redo the design even though the first one was made from those blueprint, so I don't know what to do now..

I'll finish off the tower, then try and find the earlier design for the gun decks and see what gives, but I can't be changing the design forever...

god knows how many hours have already been put in this sub..

keltos

[keltos01]

here goes the new model and the older version of the deck :




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[keltos01]

old deck new hull :



new deck new hull :




new and old deck and new hull :



= mix :




so which ?

keltos

[Highbury]

Originally Posted by keltos01

I do, but I was told to redo the design even though the first one was made from those blueprint, so I don't know what to do now..

I'll finish off the tower, then try and find the earlier design for the gun decks and see what gives, but I can't be changing the design forever...

god knows how many hours have already been put in this sub..

keltos

I would bet it is alot of hours, and I am certainly not intending to criticize (I couldn't make a 3D model of a ball so I have no grounds to complain lol). Just pointing out something I saw.

I personally think the old deck is closer to the blueprint. Maybe a bit wide though, as it seems the platform did not distort the shape of hull side quite so much.

Really though, you should do what is a mix of what you think looks best, and what is most feasable to accomplish in the time you think is worth spending on it. I am sure we will be happy with it either way.

Working from Blueprints can be a pain if not setup correctly.
That's an art in itself!

I think your doing some very good work.


Release it when your happy with it.
If someone comes along and tweaks it after that?
That's a tribute to you in many ways.

Someone starts a mod,
others take it to the next level.

That's the way it always works.

[keltos01]

port :



Starboard :




tower with new fore AA gun platform :



fore AA gun :




stern :



side view :




periscope depth :






there. notice the bump map too ?

[edit] torpedo doors are now in position, I now need to make the model for all of them.

as for the external torpedo tubes, is there a way to make the game add them like upgrades ? so that thay would appear in 1942 and not at the start in 1941 ?

[edit2] made an AO map for both the fore dive planes, they originally didn't have any, looks like the Devs were in a rush and never implemented a lot of features... like the towers don't have bump maps..
that fixed the black shadow on the port side, but somehow the one on the starboard side doesn't take yet ???



keltos

[Hitman]

Forget the mixes and experiments, this is the one that looks best except when rendered against a blueprint:

new deck new hull :

What matters most is that the ship looks well and proportioned in the game, and as Privateer said, if somewhen in the future someone can further refine it, the better then. But you have limited free time in your life, and this can't be going on forever. This model is already very good, if you are going to put some extra time on it, then make the platform really floodable as you suggested, but forget other experiments.

It still needs further mathing the hull with the platform, so that the small edge that is currently visible dissapears, but the design is overall very good.

The part that also needs more work by now is the rear, there are still missing polygons and it is bumped as if the sub has been rammed from behind by a granny in a SUV

[keltos01]

here's a clipped part of the above image of the Nautilus. It shows the guns platform better, I enlarged it and worked it a bit in photoshop. But the small things : AA guns and AA guns platform etc... were usually fitted after the ship was launched, hence the "missing" fore AA platform here.

I personnally like the mixed version best, as it keeps the good part from the cylinder gun platforms and is accurate blueprintwise.

the guns platform is a separate object from the hull, as such the edges you are talking about, Hitman, are bound to be there.

I will try and find some more time this week to try and make the platform look more like the above picture, with flooding holes and struts.



the Narwhal's platform is not as round as the Nautilus' ?

I'm off on holidays for a week starting Friday.

keltos

[Sledgehammer427]

I can make the struts that show up on the sides of the tower
the bridge model from a ship WIP in the Surface Warfare mod.

the beginning

the finished product

[keltos01]

port :
stern :



side view :

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

I can make the struts that show up on the sides of the tower
the bridge model from a ship WIP in the Surface Warfare mod.

the beginning

the finished product

they are more like blades perpendicular to the outside edge, better support for the platform, and only are on the bridge and on the side on the fore and aft part of the platform, not the middle with the slanted hull.

I should have time to do them till I go on Friday, btw Sledge did you get the latest Narwhal mod ? what do you think of it ?

Keltos

[keltos01]

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/...7_Narwhal.html




http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/2957.html




http://www.history.army.mil/books/ww...42/narwhal.JPG





http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_6-53_mk12_pics.htm

see the tower's fore platform ?

more :

http://www.nautilus571.com/nautilus_(ss168)_history.htm

keltos

[gimpy117]

now all we need are some 6" guns...

Do a Shell operation on the top deck.
Do the struts as new objects.
Do one side then clone and Mirror them.
Add Verts to the top decks bottom edge as needed to weld the struts.
You may want to detach the sides of the struts then for sharp edges
if they look wrong in Game.

You shouldn't need the back sides of the struts as no one should be able to see them.

Creating new Guns is a simple process.
So I see no reason not to have them.

[Royale-Adio]

Nice sub! With a good skin it'll be awesome. Looking forward to it.